Wanted to thank everyone for the helpful information. This group is always great about that , I'm going to try this weekend.
I apologize for not acknowledging y'all sooner , but my ole Lab passed away Monday , and I just wasn't up to communication.. he'd been with us 13 years, which is a good long time for a hundred pound block head. Winston was smart strong and good natured, and he got to pass lying on the front porch, listening to the birds...it's going to take some time...