got these after i retired, 1 from Colorado, the other from New York ...out bid 1 guy that was on SG s OL Coots den an privy , he said it went to a good home --ME -- Smokin Gun said they appeared unfired, case coloring is very nice, hammers are different, one has more hook then the other, no boxes or other items. the guy in colorado must have had others that he listed on GB later - but i was tapped out by then..