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Captainkirk:
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Great article Cap. Question: reference "the six-shot .44-cal. cylinder was not rebated as on the 1860 Army (which had enabled it to be fitted onto the smaller .36-cal. Navy frame). So were the frames all the Navy size .36 even when referring to the 1860?
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Army and Navy frames were the same. They had to enlarge the water table cut on Army models to fit the .44 rebated cylinder
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Were all 1860's based on the Navy frame? Did the 1860 grips fit a Navy frame? I so confused. Geez?
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In most cases an Army grip will fit a Navy frame, and vice versa.
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Also this "what can only be viewed as an extremely clever marketing move, rather than chamber the 1871-72 Open Top for the same .44-cal. center-fire cartridge of Colt’s previous conversions, it was chambered for the far more plentiful .44 Henry Flat, the same cartridge that had been developed for the Henry Rifle, but was also chambered in the newer and wildly popular Winchester Model 1866." Why didn't the Henry .44 flat stick around?
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It was weak and underpowered compared to the .45 Colt cartridge which followed, introduced in 1873. It was also a rimfire cartridge. The .45 Colt was a vast improvement.
Zulch:
--- Quote from: Captainkirk on March 15, 2022, 11:24:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Great article Cap. Question: reference "the six-shot .44-cal. cylinder was not rebated as on the 1860 Army (which had enabled it to be fitted onto the smaller .36-cal. Navy frame). So were the frames all the Navy size .36 even when referring to the 1860?
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Army and Navy frames were the same. They had to enlarge the water table cut on Army models to fit the .44 rebated cylinder
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Were all 1860's based on the Navy frame? Did the 1860 grips fit a Navy frame? I so confused. Geez?
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In most cases an Army grip will fit a Navy frame, and vice versa.
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:06:51 AM ---Also this "what can only be viewed as an extremely clever marketing move, rather than chamber the 1871-72 Open Top for the same .44-cal. center-fire cartridge of Colt’s previous conversions, it was chambered for the far more plentiful .44 Henry Flat, the same cartridge that had been developed for the Henry Rifle, but was also chambered in the newer and wildly popular Winchester Model 1866." Why didn't the Henry .44 flat stick around?
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It was weak and underpowered compared to the .45 Colt cartridge which followed, introduced in 1873. It was also a rimfire cartridge. The .45 Colt was a vast improvement.
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Thanks Cap. So why did they move to centerfire over the rimfire? What was/is the advantage.
Hawg:
--- Quote from: Captainkirk on March 15, 2022, 08:08:59 AM ---Some interesting reading
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/colt-model-1871-72-open-top-the-revolver-that-begat-the-single-action-army/
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Thanks for posting that Cap. You learned me something today. :-*
Captainkirk:
--- Quote from: Zulch on March 15, 2022, 11:52:20 AM ---Thanks Cap. So why did they move to centerfire over the rimfire? What was/is the advantage.
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Ever have a rimfire .22 require multiple strikes to set off the cartridge? Or not at all?
Yeah, that.
Also, reloading rimfire ammo is an impractical, costly and darn near impossible field endeavor compared to centerfire ammo. CF was the next logical step in the evolution of the cartridge.
Captainkirk:
--- Quote from: Hawg on March 15, 2022, 12:01:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Captainkirk on March 15, 2022, 08:08:59 AM ---Some interesting reading
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/colt-model-1871-72-open-top-the-revolver-that-begat-the-single-action-army/
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Thanks for posting that Cap. You learned me something today. :-*
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What? I learned YOU something? That's a switch for once!
Thanks, Hawg!
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