thanks ssb, i was hoping for a loading procedure that would be a little more practial in the field instead of carrying so much stuff. mine is the model without a loading lever or i woud carry a small pipe for leverage. youre right, the 00 buck is pretty hard and i would be leary of the strain on the arbor using it. (brass frame). i slugged the barrel and 1 chamber and the chamber is about .005 smaller than the barrel. .316 compared to .321. doesnt seem conducive to accuracy. thinking about trying lees .319 mold but hate tying up $ without knowing. also thought about lees buckshot mold in 00 with pure lead, but again dont know how that would work because of the size. by the way, i did countersink the arbor but didnt take enough to alter the length. wouldnt matter anyway because mine doesnt bottom out, the arbor is tapered. i may put a set screw in to adjust the barrel to match the frame, which is pretty close to right at this time, to be determined later. another oddity, the serial no on the backstrap is E677xx while the one on the barrel is E577xx. anyhow it is an interesting little gun. anyway, thanks everyone for your help and advice