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Conversions / Re: Conversions-the scoop
« on: July 11, 2024, 09:07:45 AM »
I agree with Mike, but I also would not volunteer the information that I have a conversion cylinder for it to an LEO, if it wasn't immediately apparent.

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Conversions / Re: Conversions-the scoop
« on: July 09, 2024, 02:18:05 PM »
I think that is spot-on, Zulch.
I suppose it is quite possible that folks might have a real special, or favorite gun and they would like the option to be able to swap out cylinders and go back and forth? Like someone else had mentioned the steel used in the black powder guns is inferior to the cartridge open tops and RM's. I also reckon if one did ruin the barrel of the black powder gun by shooting cartridge smokeless powder they could always buy a new barrel. It just seems like a costly venture to me—just my 2 cents.

Every time I go out, which isn't often, capping is a struggle that day, or the kids get bored before I've gone through two cylinders in the time their deceased Maw would empty two 30rd AR mags... I've looked at conversion.

But when I maths the "Is the juice worth the squeeze?" equation.  I don't shoot enough to make it make sense, and I like these for what they are.
If I need a cartridge gun that badly, there are 1911s to pick from, 1875's, 1873's, Vaqueros, all the things.
That's pretty much the way I see it too. But, I do like to tinker and build my own guns. Also, there's the whole paperwork issue. That seems to be the elephant in the room, and I totally get it.
As I mentioned before though, I hate it when I'm in a discussion about a cap and ball revolver and someone tries to completely take over the conversation and turn it into a discussion of conversion cylinders. I can talk about either cap and ball, or conversions. But it seems that some of those who crash discussions have no interest whatsoever in a cap and ball gun, except as a cartridge conversion.

An extreme example is the cap and ball NAA Companion/Super Companion mini revolver. Even if you already have the revolver, it is cheaper to just buy the dedicated cartridge version than to buy a conversion cylinder. And, the conversion cylinder is more of a hassle to operate. That leads me to believe that the large number of people who crash those particular discussions are convicted felons. Which makes me want to tell them that when they get caught carrying that around, they will still go back to prison just as surely as if they were packing a black market Hi Point.

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Conversions / Re: Conversions-the scoop
« on: July 05, 2024, 11:57:37 AM »
Another aspect from the business end of conversion cylinders is,  the manufacturer doesn't know WHAT type of "rattle trap" some customers may be installing their products  in .  .  .  which gets you back to Ruger recommending "no handloads".
  As far as barrels go, I asked Walt if jacketed bullets would wear them out, his response was "not in your lifetime"!  So, unless he knows something I don't ( heck, I'm only 66 y.o!!),  I'd say it's not a worry. Set up correctly, these revolvers are perfectly fine and can be treated just as any other modern SA revolver.

  As far as Howell cylinders (and "Taylor’s"), they don't have 100%  support for the cartridge case to back up against (the other end of the pressure column) like the Kirst plate/ring does. Therefore,  I'd say tier1 loads should be considered maximum loads.

This information is also for the open-top platform which is superior to like top-strap designs  ( Remingtons etc.). Of course the ROA is a modern design with a thicker top strap and can definitely handle tier2 loads.

Mike
Good comments, Mike. If I build a conversion revolver, I will probably use a Kirst cylinder. But I will also probably use a Pietta '58 Remington. If it turns out that the barrel doesn't last long, it would be pretty easy for me to make a new barrel from a modern blank. Although, I suppose it wouldn't be too difficult to put a liner in an 1860 Army barrel.

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Conversions / Re: Conversions-the scoop
« on: July 04, 2024, 02:51:09 PM »
My comments about conversion cylinders are speculative, since I've never owned one and am not what you would call a fan of them. To each his own though, and I can understand the draw.

The only thing I really dislike about them is that on most forums you cannot have a simple discussion about c&b revolvers without someone coming along and turning it into a discussion about conversion cylinders. This, even during the times when metallic ammo is difficult to find and triple the normal price!
That's one of the things I like about this forum. While some members are fans of conversions, the forum as a whole actually appreciates c&b revolvers for what they are.

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Conversions / Re: Conversions-the scoop
« on: July 03, 2024, 02:06:24 PM »
Just a few comments. I'll probably ruffle a few feathers too. First, I don't think the use of smokeless loads will have any effect on the host revolver. The cylinder is what contains the pressure. As long as the pressure is within rated spec, most of it drops off by the time the bullet enters the barrel. The conversion cylinder has its own breech, so only recoil force is passed to the revolver frame. Of course, as mentioned, only lead bullets should be used.

Second, I am not and have never been a fan of Trail Boss. It was always too expensive. A 9 oz can of Trail Boss cost about the same or more than a 1 lb can of Red Dot. Worse, I saw newbie reloaders out there on the forums telling other newbies that if they just got a can of Trail Boss they didn't have to worry about all that stuff they had to do with other powders, because it was just like black powder and you could not overload a cartridge with it. That is incorrect. A .45 Colt case will hold at least 10 grains of Trail Boss under a 255 grain bullet. Looking at the published burn speed, Trail Boss is a few steps faster than W231 and not much slower than Bullseye.
10 grains of W231 under a 255 grain bullet is a maximum Ruger-only load in .45 Colt. To put it another way, if you put as much Trail Boss as you can fit in a .45 Colt case, you had better be shooting it in a .454 Casull. Or better yet, not at all.

Another thing to consider: some people think TB is fine for loading old black powder only revolvers such as an early SAA. Bad idea. TB acts just like smokeless powder because it is smokeless powder. So if you wouldn't load that old revolver with Bullseye, you shouldn't load it with TB either.

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General Discussion / How I Make Black Powder
« on: July 03, 2024, 12:46:12 PM »
Here is a video detailing how I make black powder. I made this video several years ago and had it on YouTube, where it was somewhat popular. But then YT removed it and issued a strike against my channel.
I found it again today and uploaded it to Rumble, who are far more free speech than YT.
Here it is: https://rumble.com/v55c8me-how-i-make-black-powder.html

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1858 Remington "New Model Army" Revolvers / '58 Pietta Sheriff's
« on: July 02, 2024, 01:59:15 PM »
I grabbed this pic while testing a shot load. .44 caliber.
I was using 20 grains of 3F, paper towel wadding, and No. 12 shot. A felt over-powder and card over-shot wad would be much better.

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Percussion Muskets and Rifles / Re: P1841 Brunswick Officer's Musket
« on: July 01, 2024, 06:06:32 PM »
Thanks! I had planned to get a Brown Bess from IMA, but they sold out before I got around to it.

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Percussion Muskets and Rifles / Re: P1841 Brunswick Officer's Musket
« on: July 01, 2024, 12:09:21 PM »
Thanks! Making videos is not too difficult. Just getting started, you can shoot video with a smartphone. Download a video editing app to your phone and edit it the way you want it (I do minimal editing; some people edit a lot more). Then open an account with Rumble and upload your finished video directly to them.

Don't bother with YouTube. They are very anti-gun and will likely censor you.

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Percussion Muskets and Rifles / P1841 Brunswick Officer's Musket
« on: July 01, 2024, 10:13:13 AM »

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Forum Information / Re: Summer Newsletter
« on: June 30, 2024, 09:37:03 PM »
Thanks for the heads up! Mine went to spam too; without your notification I would have missed it altogether.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: How do you earn a living?
« on: June 21, 2024, 07:22:24 PM »
I'm a drugrunner. I sneak into a warehouse in an undisclosed location in the wee hours of the morning, then skulk around in an unmarked van dropping off the product at various pharmacies and hospitals. 
Still waiting for a cop to pull me over and ask if I have any drugs or guns in the vehicle. L@J

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What did you do today
« on: June 21, 2024, 06:50:12 PM »
Thanks! That's about what I expected to hear. I'll probably keep the N2s for now since they don't have many miles on them. But I definitely intend to upgrade to the HSR42, and look at the N4s later.

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