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Black Powder Pistols => Colt Collecting => Topic started by: Krylandalian on October 13, 2016, 02:59:42 PM
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Am in the process of replacing all of my 'replica' Colt 'Revolving breach repeaters' with 'reissue' Colts- brown, black and grey box generation. Got a side of Leather from Hide House in Napa. Over the past few days I made 7 holsters, 4 support belts, 1 being a heavy waist belt, 'socket' carriers for all holsters, Various soft leather pouches for ball, moulds, oilers, etc.
Still in work- Appendage pouch (for carrying shoot essentials: Flask, tools, oiler, ,.).
In the end, I ll have an outfit that includes an 'Away ranging' getup of- 2 holster pistols (M-47, M-47H), 1 Belt pistol (M-61), 1 Pocket pistol (M-49), 1- ocular scope (brass telescoping), 1- compass (brass & glass from London/Stanley), 1- Bowie knife (9.5'', Stag grip, from Bear & Son),,,,,. Cont---
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You realize pictures are a must...right?
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No pics, didn't happen. (7&
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I m a gett n plenty of pictures. I ll get m in here.
Cont- I have a handy shoulder supported socket holstered getup for the pocket models I have. It is variable where it allows carriage in different positions. The socket holster removes and relocates to other areas instantly without unbelting and so on.
Getting on the entire getup of 2 Holster pistols, pouches, belt pistol and pocket pistol, , with only a little bit of balls for each, powder etc, the weight is stupid. can hardly get around! It is fun to get all suited up in case the Redlegs come pounce n through.
Going on my ranging perimeter rounds, I have a Holster/Holster (H), or belt, pocket. Fun to run around at night on the trails/paths through the property. Sighted bear poop on the N. path the other day. So, at night, I carry at least the Heavy belt (.44)
This morning, in the mist, I ran outside with a piece of bacon. Fired one shot, got in the cloud of smoke and ate the bacon. Oh! Yeah!!! , let s see now. Who in this forum has this quote?
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Got it! The 1861 Navy, Black box gen. Complete with box, docs and pin!
Gett n it in the mail in a couple of days.
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Photos! Tintypes! or at least illustrations!
Fun to run around at night on the trails/paths through the property. Sighted bear poop on the N. path the other day. So, at night, I carry at least the Heavy belt (.44)
This morning, in the mist, I ran outside with a piece of bacon. Fired one shot, got in the cloud of smoke and ate the bacon.
Oh yes, you have it bad, um hmmm
yhs
prf mvl
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Yeah. I do. Fun though.
I even have alert statuses to respond to various perimeter incursions ( A-1,2,3 - C-1, 2, 3. Depending upon the alert, a particular arrangement of weaponry is required for the r a n g i n g patrol/responses. For example, bear shite was discovered on the N. Path. Ranging patrols, for the next days were A- 2 with- 1 holster pistol (H) -Heavy- , 1 Belt pistol (M) -Medium-.
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Not even a sketch yet?
Yeah. I do. Fun though.
I even have alert statuses to respond to various perimeter incursions ......
Decaff (https://storage.googleapis.com/vidsums/51bd9b1f-efbd-41bf-9ab6-2061b69180a0.mp4)
yhs
prof marvel
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Decaff? Noooooo Diesel baby!!! Ball casting party going on now. Got a fire going and am casting from the Pedersoli .44, .36 and .31 molds. We ll see how it goes firing the cast jobs. Hope they 'hermetically' seal properly!
I ll try to get the daguereotypes , ? posted soon. Should get CDR Foote in tomorrow (Black box gen 1861 Navy) Look n forward to it!
My revised heavy ranging compliment - 1 Holster (H) -Walker-, 1 Holster (M) -Whitneyville Dragoon-, 1 Belt (M) -1861 Navy-, 1 Pocket (L) -1849 Pocket-, The Bowie and a few other little things. Kinda like Josey Wales s.
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Shoot report
First time firing a 1860 Army! (Grey box gen) Great firing piece! A nice rolling crack, very good grip in hand feeling. light rolling recoil. Very crisp/timed action, smooth, v e r y smooth trigger pull. Chamber was loaded full with round ball. 20 yards to target. 3/4 in plywood. Typicall ballistics
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Casted rounds and conicals from Pedersoli molds- .31, .36 and .44 (Walker mold picket only)
The .31 ball fits beautifully! (Grey box gen 1849 Pocket) A nice tight fit with a ring of lead shaved off. The conical, however, does nt fit under the barrel lug through the recess, to go under the rammer. I altered the conical to where it would. Then it would not ram cleanly. It hung up and I could not place enough pressure on the lever to ram it. So now I do 2 things- 1- Remove the tip and 'roll' the conical between two pieces of hard wood to reduce the diameter slightly.
Yet to test the others. Will do in the next days.
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Shoot report
Grey Box gen 1849 Pocket- 1- round with 12 grains of powder and 1- conical with 8 grains of powder.
Action a l i t t t t l l l e eeee heavy, The conical went out like a CB cap (.22). No recoil and a 'fun' semi-loud 'pop'. Ball bounced off the 3/4 in plywood at 20 yards.
The round though !! This little sucker kicked fairly nice with a good 'crack' report and the 'Big BB' penetrated the plywood at 20 yards.
The conical could have taken a little more powder. That Pedersoli makes a really big conical!! Don t know the grain weight.
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Shoot report II -Conical and round from Pedersoli mold, full powder, 15 yards, 2 x 8 fir (board was lightly braced in place to keep standing)-
Conical:
1849 Pocket . . . . . . . . Surface protrusion penetration.
1862 Pocket . . . . . . . . . Complete penetration and tipped the board over
1861 Navy . . . . . . . Almost came out the back and knocked the board over
1860 Army . . (Walker 'Picket') " . . . . Deep penetration and knocked the board about a foot away. No sign of trying to come out the back though.
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1849 Pocket . . . . Surface penetration
1862 Pocket . . . . Deep penetration
1861 Navy . . . . - - Didn t fire one , , y e t !
1860 Army . . with full powder . 'Hot butter knifed' through the board.
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The conical takes up a l o t of room in the '49, and 60. So much that the ball 'pops' out of the 49 and barely 'cracks out of the 60. The '61 though, it zooms out pretty good. Really though, fired from the '60, the way the ball penetrated and deformed/expanded for good punch, was impressive!
Good 'shock and stop' power from the soft conicals. Good velocity and penetration from the round balls.
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Loads-
Here is what I keep loaded:
2- conicals, 2- rounds and 2- chambers loaded with .17 shot. (Pocket models- 1- chamber with birdshot No. 8.
As far as damaging the rifling, the Dragoon I sold to the Captain was fired this way too. I fired a lot of it through that Dragoon since 1985.
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Of all my latest aquistions, from the Walker down to the '49 Pocket, all take the same caps. They are all Grey box gens. , e x c e p t, the '61 Navy and the '62 Pocket Police. These two are Black boxers. The cones (nipples) are the same size, which are smaller than the grey boxers. Strange. I intend to replace them with whatever is in in the others. The caps fit r e a l l y snug on all of them except the Blackboxers.
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Newest addition- Blackboxer 1862 Pocket Navy with oil grips.
I really like the 1849. So, I wanted it in .36. I like the flat shapers over the creepers. E x c e p t ! For the 1851 Navy. N o o o o ooooooo desire, until now, whatsoever to have one. Don t know why, but it is my least favorite Colt.
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I can't imagine why? It is one of the most appealing Colts...to me, anyway.
They point like a dream and the recoil is very mild.
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I r e a l l y like the feel of the 61 Navy. As you said about the 51. Hmmm? I am interested now , , a little. I like the Dragoon shaped pistols over the creepers.
I have never handled a 51 Navy. I would like to handle one to see if it jazzez me in another direction. I like the idea of it being with all my other boxers (I call the faceted shaped ones this, and the others creepers. For the their 'creeping' levers).
Hmmm?
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That fugg n Picket from the Walker mold, Pedersoli t o t a l l y sucks!!!! too small, hardly a n y rifling grip, Getting the damn thing to go straight in the chamber, is like ,- zero to none. It wobbles and flips to target. Accuracy is nothing.
I d like to get ahold of that -sell the mold for o v e r a hundred dollars- Pedersoli pukes and kick their asses!!!!
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Got the 62 Navy in the mail. Colt Blackboxer. The grip is oiled only (I went after this feature) and is b e a u t i f u l ! I really like it!!! I thought it had the Naval engagement engraving! Nooooope! This , , Navy, has the stagecoach engraving.
W h a t e v e r .
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Of all, The best one that I have is the 1860 Army greyboxer. B e a u t i f u l finsih. fit and handling. Action quick and crisp, grip in hand fit is swell! I swear it is lighter than the 61 Navy! , The finish is a d e e p mirror ebony bluing. All corners and edges are fit and smooth. It is the best firing, handling, finished one that I have , , in my Colt Gen collection.
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Yes, my '60 Armies are really beginning to grow on me.
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Yeah. I keep going back to it. It seems to have b e t t e r handling and balance than the Navies, while , with the .44 8'' barrel, right on near Dragoon punch and range. , and again,- The one that I have is so beautifully finished, it is just fun to have, hold and and and.
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Tried out my full shoot ensemble the other day for the first time- 5 pistols carried: 1- Left hip left draw socket holster, waistbelt held, shoulder strap supported Walker, 2- Right hip, right draw -same- Whitneyville Dragoon, 3- Front inside belt socket slip holster, right draw 1860 Army, 4- Left chest belt held, shoulder supported socket holster 1849 Pocket, 5- Small back outside belt socket holster right draw 1862 Pocket. 9.5'' Bowie in scabbard supported on left holster support strap. Belt bag on support strap. Shot bag, shoulder strap carried.
I went out and walked and jogged a little, along a wooded trail. About a 1/4 mile. All was supported in a way where I could flex and move. Even over logs, climbing, squatting and so on. Surprisingly comfortable.
Just for fun. It s not like it is practical. Just an idea of what it would be like to pack so much steel etc. I cannot imagine being serious in the day without a percussion revolver in each hand, in order to back each other because of misfires, jams and so on.
Got photos of it. I will try and post them soon. Was going to do it several days ago, yeah, yeah, Thanksgiving this, delay that and so on.
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"Benny! Come out! We got us the Josey Wales". &\?
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Second photo posting attempt. This time from my computer. Reduced size. However, this:
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Josey Wales Indeed! Now I know what it feels like to be pack n all that blued steel 'round!
'Watch it Abe! He s probably got another pistol hidden somewhere!' 'Shut up Lige'.
--Shoulda took that there advice!--
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Second photo posting attempt. This time from my computer. Reduced size. However, this:
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Josey Wales Indeed! Now I know what it feels like to be pack n all that blued steel 'round!
'Watch it Abe! He s probably got another pistol hidden somewhere!' 'Shut up Lige'.
--Shoulda took that there advice!--
That's why I don't post them as attachments. If you post the image code in the text box, max allowable is 640 X 427
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Don't think you can attach a jpeg in such fashion, will probably have to use the attachment function.
Are you using an image hosting site or trying to load from a desktop or laptop file?
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Well Scooby. A little admission here. I fired it, yet not from a Walker. I fired it from a 60 Army and Whitneyville-Hartford.
I checked- The picket fits under the Walker plunger perfectly. The 60 army and the Dragoon, the plunger is contoured for a blunt projo. So, askew in it went.
I may be stupid, but I aint smart.
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This 1862 Pocket Navy is my new favorite. For now! It is the only Colt I have with oiled grips! , and!, the total package is right on! Not much bigger than the Pocket '49, but in .36 (Navy) caliber. Have yet to fire it, but I have been firing the '62 Pocket Police. So, I pretty much know what it would do.
It s a blackboxer. The finish and feel, the look, all of it! I m going to fire it for range and punch results. I have it rigged to go into a shoulder socket holster, a slip socket holster waist belt arrangement.
I was hoping it had the Naval Engagement engraving insted of the stagecoach scene. I know now that 'Navy' simply refers to the caliber. 'Navy Caliber' being .36.
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Well, well, w h e w . I am arrived back from , , well, I m back.
So ooooooo, Cap n, seems, you had a great role in this, I got the hanker n for a '51 Navy. I got one too! For the past 2 months it was gnawin on me and 3 days ago, I just looked on Gunbroker and , , , b o o m ! Guess what was right there,, right in front of my schnaz just begg n for a new home?! Just guess. I could nt believe what I saw! It soaked in and before I even knew what the fugger all I was doing, I hit the b u y n o w option. Done and done! Talked to the guy on the phone and he congratulated me and said he got emails like crazy from people that wanted it and could nt believe it was available a n d was gone so quickly.
Clearly, it was destined for me. Well, I still have yet to get it. It s enroute in the mail.
Iv e not ever even held a 51 Navy. Can t wait.
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Excellent, you will like the '51 better than you imagine. Glad you are back from wherever it was life shuffled you off to.
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Yes, welcome back! I also think you will develop a fondness for the 'Plain Jane' Navy! And I know what you mean about the auction sites...when I get a burr under my saddle for a particular gun, I often wonder who that guy is that just bought the gun...wait; ME?!!!! (jh
Details, please! Maker, year, maybe even a link to the auction so's we can see what it looks like even before you post the mandatory required pictures that go along with a thread like this?
We's a-waitin'...
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Thanks. Good to see you again.
Hope this works-
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/645310902
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I m look n forward to handling the 51 Navy. I have a blackboxer 61 Navy and it just doesn t feel all that good. I swear it is heavier than the 60 army! Feels that way anyway. Feels heavy, squatty and bulky. The 60 Army feels slender, well balanced, sexy and sleek.
I m eager to get ahold of the 51. Got a name for it too. Check the other thread I started- Names of ,,.
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Oh, my!
A London model with steel SB trigger guard and BS!!!!!
What a find! You are going to love it. I promise!
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Oh! I didn t realize it was a London model. I thought C series Colts were all of one type. Anyhoo. I am already happy with it! don t have it yet. Also, I am eager to check the engraving on the cylinder. I have the Colt Cylinder Scenes book, and it really describes the differences and so on about it. Someone here in the forum turned me on to this book. I thank them.
Now, in order to complete my collection, I am after 2 Dragoons. A 1st and a 2nd. I wish Colt did a Paterson. I d get that too. Seems there s a 3rd Gen 1842 model, but it s several thousand dollars. Can t do that.
Oh yeah! , and BTW, one of my old Walkers is yours!!! I am away from home right now, so it will have to wait. I ll keep you informed. I figure it s up to you to research what it would have sold for around 1850. That s the price. Ok?
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Oh yeah! , and BTW, one of my old Walkers is yours!!! I am away from home right now, so it will have to wait. I ll keep you informed. I figure it s up to you to research what it would have sold for around 1850. That s the price. Ok?
I will GLADLY do that research! L@J
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Krylandian, congrats on finding a '51! The case colors look gorgeous. I can tell you it's not a London model, it's just that the silver on the silver plated brass trigger guard has tarnished.
Captain, you are one lucky guy to get the Walker and I'm happy for you. Kry, is this one of those Armi San Marco Walker's with Colt markings on the barrel and cylinder? I like them and I have one. Whatever type of Walker it is I'm looking forward to photos when the Captain gets it.
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Well, we ll see what we ll see when it arrives.
Thanks for the congrats!
The Goon is gonna earn his money reviving that old Walker.
Yes. They re the ASM s with the Colt Markings.
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Oh yeah! , and BTW, one of my old Walkers is yours!!! I am away from home right now, so it will have to wait. I ll keep you informed. I figure it s up to you to research what it would have sold for around 1850. That s the price. Ok?
According to author David Stroud in the "Texas Ranger Dispatch Magazine", Issue 02 pp 36;
"Colt received a contract for 1,000 revolvers on January 4, 1847, and would be
paid $25 for each arm. He would also receive an additional $3 for powder
flasks and spare parts."
Taking into account your date of "around 1850", this would have put the original 1847 Walkers at 3 years old and no longer in production in lieu of the newer Dragoon models, but given their increased powder capacity and effective range, they would very likely have retained much of their original value with those who owned and used them. Let us speculate then that fair open market price would be somewhere in the $20.00-$23.00 range?
For the complete article:
http://www.texasranger.org/dispatch/Backissues/Dispatch_Issue_02.pdf
Good reading!
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Colt produced the standard models with brass back straps and trigger guards for the English trade. However, the British people did not take to the brass, describing them as "cheap" looking. So Colt produced the steal tg and bs for British imports. Here is an example of steal bs and tg with London markings................Jim
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac296/ELAND/P1010201%201_zpsz0fp7utd.jpg) (http://s909.photobucket.com/user/ELAND/media/P1010201%201_zpsz0fp7utd.jpg.html)
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Sounds good Capt. During that time, there were not too many revolvers available to the public etc. Most were military. Colt was stroking like mad fulfilling the second and third contracts (Dragoon revolvers to the Government), aside of a few other manufacturers, the few Walkers, only a few private sales from Colt, yeah, seems a Walker would still be in h i g h demand, regardless of its condition. During the Gold rush, a Dragoon, from deserting soldiers or whatever, could go for several hundred(s) of dollars!
Anyway, around $20.00 sounds good.
That Ranger report doc. was pretty good. Thanks for that!
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I went outland ranging on a 2 hr jaunt with Col. Fremont, Lt.Jg Flask, Col Bowie, and a few others. Did nt get to shoot anything.
Man, carrying that Whitneyville Dragoon in a belt holster, even with a shoulder support strap, is hell after about an hour going over redwood logs, up and down steep ravine slopes, slipping on moss and and and.
Last time firing Maj. Hume, the blue grey cloud of smoke hung around, slowly ascended in the still evening air up through the redwoods. The report doesn t travel. The dense forest holds the crack.
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Thanks Jim, for that. Short on interest in investigating it further, it will be here, according to FedEx, on Thursday. Then we ll see what we ll see.
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Last time firing Maj. Hume, the blue grey cloud of smoke hung around, slowly ascended in the still evening air up through the redwoods. The report doesn t travel. The dense forest holds the crack.
I'm picturing this in my mind's eye and it's making me smile... :)
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Whoah! A blackboxer 2nd Dragoon is lurking about out there! I am hot on its trail. Last spotted this morning on the hill way over yonder. Reckon I ll start on out after it. I ll call together the Rangers and get a posse together. May get m all in accord by tonight or tomorrow morning. We ll then start on after that blued beast!!! Looks to be a 5 day ride from here , , to that hill. May or may not be there by the time we arrive. We ll see what we ll see.
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All in accord. Struck out early in trail after a breakfast of buscuits and coffe with cayenne and cardamom in it! Pretty good really.
On the trail. Little over 3 days to that Dragoons hideout. We ll sneak on up to that place and hopefully catch m napp n. Don t no one go and send a signal or nuth n.
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Oh! Got a package on the porch this morning! Hmmm? I w o n d e r what it could be?! Did nt open it yet. I s u r rrrre know what it better be! I got out the leather and the leather working tools for holster an sich.
Life sucks!
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Oh! Got a package on the porch this morning! Hmmm? I w o n d e r what it could be?! Did nt open it yet. I s u r rrrre know what it better be! I got out the leather and the leather working tools for holster an sich.
Life sucks!
I m watching Streets of Laredo with James Garner. He s after the man burner.
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All right! Opened it! W a y y y yyyyyy cooler than I expected. I wrote its full description in- General Information/Arsenal, my latest addition.
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Too cool! My 'Navy s'! Beautifu! The New Model Police (Navy caliber) is the best of the bunch. it feels the best in the hand, is sleek and looks like it s going a hundred miles per hour just sitting there. The Colt charcoal finish, I mean the smokey coloring of the blue is just great! My favorite all around though, is the New Model Navy. My favorite to look at is the New Model Pocket Navy,- The shape, the grip, which is only lightly oiled with no varnish,. The B E S T of them though, fit, finish, balance , , is the Old Model Navy. A real piece of Art!!! Them there dudes , Lou, Ivr and Val ? , fugg n ACED it! Amazing how precice and accurate, well finsihed and and and this thing is!!! All of them have silvered TG/BS.
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Get n closer. 2nd Dragoon still encamped on the hillside. Scouts returned with positive identification. Less than a days ride away.
We ll surround that sucker, jump m, and de-ball m sos he can t ball us. That is, unless he gets the jump on us and starts the balls afly n!
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Got 2 small wooden hinged lid chest in the mail today. One for the arsenal and the other for all the appendages, support equiptment and such.
Started making the holster and socket etc for the old model navy belt pistol.
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Arrived at location. Nothing there but a bunch of holed bean cans. Smote down by the elusive Dragoon. How can something so big sneak around so well? Anyway, Back to Ft. Redwood to regroup/gather and provision.
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Ha! Got m! all is well. 'Ol 2nd Dragoon is on our side now. He s packing his gear and will head out to join us. Should be here in about three days.
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The wooden round top chest isn t so small afterall! A L L the Colts, holsters and equiptment fit into it easily. , of course I can t pick it up!!!
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Got a 1 pint oak keg to hold powder. With burn lettering, I stenciled -Blackpowder- on it (before placing Black powder into it).
Ballcasting today- with the Dragoon conical mold. These suckers are b i g ! Gonna fir m from one of the Dragoons. Seems they re about 230G. Should be able to get 43G powder in there.
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A keg of powder - too cool.
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Them Dragoon balls (Conical) H a m m e r ! Fly through boards where Round balls stop! This second dragoon is the shite! My new favorite! It has that Colt Charcoal deep bluing. The grip is plain oiled. Much better than them there Brown and Grey boxers. The Blackboxers just look better! My favorite before was the WH Dragoon. N O W it s this Old Model Army of 1850. The grip s heftier feeling. The model '47s have that slenfer grip. The heavier, thicker grip on the 2nd Dragoon just f e e l s better.
Really, N o t h i n g beats the Dragoons. All in all , in the end, The Dragoons reign supreme!!! Firepower, looks, feel, A L L !
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Yap!!!
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
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After a Colt s large holster pistol (1st Dragoon) now. Got a few leads. Got some good and fun news! I have been wanting the Colt gold pins with the Black Boxers I have been procurring. Always asking the seller, Researching if one is available with the pistol,. I did get one. The New model belt pistol (1861 Navy) came with one. So oooooo, I came into a little luck! On Ebay, I discovered a 'Bulk Factory Bag of 25 count' Gold Colt Black Powder Lapel/Hat Pins for $16.00 !!! I ordered them. We ll see what arrives. Seems odd. We ll see.
Got 1000 Remmington caps in the mail today. Got 5 lbs of soft lead the other day. Gotta get up more b a l l s . Round and conical.
Hey, does anyone know if the Brown Boxers ( 'C series' ) came with a gold pin offer too?
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Got it! Colt s patent repeating arm, pistol, holster, heavy model of '48, Dragoon aroo! 1 ea. Found in in a pawn shop in Riverside CA. Hope it s not stolen or something. Anyhoo, comes with box, docs,. S. N. 32000 ish. Pretty hih number. Did nt know Colt made so many of these things.
Got the deluxe shooters box from Dixie Gun Works too. Pretty cool box. Like all things from DGW, it s just another expensive kit. Quality issues here, crap needing adjustment/replacement and and and.
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Been work n on my Armoury,- powder keg, cap storage tins with labels, shoot pouches, chests,.
Went out reconnoitering the perimeter yesterday. I managed to load a picket in the WH Holster a little crooked. It looked like it was leaning against the chamber wall. I fired it at a 2 x 12 , 17 in tall, from 12 yards. Surprisingly, the damn thing hit quite square and sailed right through it with no indications of it having wobbled.
Just G r a n d ! to hear that c r a c k ! and see the pall of smoke ascend up and away. Great! Just g r e a t . A while ago, I fired a picket from the New Model Holster. That sucker hit the board perfectly sideways! Stuck in about half way through.
Had an outside fire going. I went back inside to reload. Walking around barefoot, O u c h ! As I stepped on some of the spent caps on the floor. What a wonderful inconvenience eh?
I was short loading the Pocket .31 and it was fireing like a .22 cap. Quite fun really. With a 'pop' the ball flies out and sticks in the board. A full load is a different story!!! I m still struggling with sighting it in though. I m just not used to these pocket models. The Pocket and theNew Model Pocket, I can hardly hit anything. I m going to get serious with sighting them.
My favorite is this GreyBoxer WH Dragoon. It just feels good in the hand, it fires well, the feel of it cocking , , I can feel the cylinder smoothly turning and setting into place. Not heavily and clunky, just smooth with heft. The grip, being slender like the Improved Holster Pistol, is easy to hold and fits the hand well without taking away from the feel of it being b i g iron.. It s well balanced, finished with a marble/mirror blueing. Really my overall fav.
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I was shuffling the Colts around yesterday, moving them around as I needed space, working on the storage chest and such. I was picking them up and placing them over there, s u d d e n l y , I was stopped by the feel in my hand. As I picked up this particular pistol, it r e a l l y got my attention! The feel of it, the balance,, ALL of it! I was amazed. I looked at what was in my hand, wondering which of these Colts felt so right, good, perfect, balanced, and and and ,. It was the , ,
, , '51 Navy.
Truelly astonishing. , to be so awe struck and even enamoured by what?! A chunk of beautiful craftwork, engraved, brass, blued steel, case hardened 'guniron' ?, silver, walnut,. Too c o o l .
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Got it! Colt s patent repeating arm, pistol, holster, heavy model of '48, Dragoon aroo! 1 ea. Found in in a pawn shop in Riverside CA. Hope it s not stolen or something. Anyhoo, comes with box, docs,. S. N. 32000 ish. Pretty hih number. Did nt know Colt made so many of these things.
Got the deluxe shooters box from Dixie Gun Works too. Pretty cool box. Like all things from DGW, it s just another expensive kit. Quality issues here, crap needing adjustment/replacement and and and.
Riverside is my town, what pawn shop did you get it from ?
Hewy
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I was shuffling the Colts around yesterday, moving them around as I needed space, working on the storage chest and such. I was picking them up and placing them over there, s u d d e n l y , I was stopped by the feel in my hand. As I picked up this particular pistol, it r e a l l y got my attention! The feel of it, the balance,, ALL of it! I was amazed. I looked at what was in my hand, wondering which of these Colts felt so right, good, perfect, balanced, and and and ,. It was the , ,
, , '51 Navy.
Truelly astonishing. , to be so awe struck and even enamoured by what?! A chunk of beautiful craftwork, engraved, brass, blued steel, case hardened 'guniron' ?, silver, walnut,. Too c o o l .
Did I not exclaim to you of the amazing wonderment and natural point-ability of the '51 Navy?
Why, I believe I did.
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Theyre no 1860. But still and all - an 1851 is a remarkably fine handling thing.
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Theyre no 1860. But still and all - an 1851 is a remarkably fine handling thing.
That's right G Dog, I completely agree.
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I was showing my black powder guns to a friend of mine who shoots modern guns but has never shot black powder. I showed him the Walker, 1858 Remington, 1860 Army, 3rd Model Dragoon and 1851 Navy. He was polite but really didn't seem all that enthusiastic until... we got to the '51 and he got it in his hands the expression on his face kinda changed and as he hefted it and sighted down the barrel, repeatedly, he said thinks like "this one feels really good, it's really well balanced" and "I like this one the best". Yes the '51 Navy, it just feels right.
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Got it at Inland Jewelry and loan on Magnolia. Proprietor- Jeff. You know the place?
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By golly Cap n. You did! The 1860 is a s l e e k , feeling,, the sleekest! The '51, being shorter, with a snugger center of gravty,. The feel of it is very well balanced and nimble. The 1860, being longer and such takes a moment more to glde about. Don t take the sleekness, s e x y sleekness away from it though.
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Whew! What a workout clean n them hawglegs! W e l l worth it though!
Got the 'Lot of 26 Colt Blackpowder pins' in the mail today. Amazing! They re the regular black and gold pins!!! One of them, seperatly packed in a little plastic clip lid box was a pin that is a little bigger than the others. No black enamel. It s a bronze color and said to be 'Gold filled'. It also has on it- Colt Blackpowder Shooter . Where the others have- Authentic Blackpowder Colt .
All I really wanted was enough for my blackBoxers and a few extra for wearing and such.
Hmm? To share the wealth is the order of this conundrum.
Also ordered a Blackpowder Arms Catalog. The one that the Colt Blackpowder 3rd Gen co. put out. It s about 45 pages. R e a l l y well made, good looking 'book'. Can t wait to get it!
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LonesomePigeon, isn t it amazing to experience how some who doesn t know the history of something, just lights up consistant with the reputation of it?! Really reafirms the great design proven through history.
That s a great story. The magic is there and captivates even someone who isn t really interested.
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Man! This pocket .31 shoots high! Shortloading it, I can hit the target aiming low. With a full load I s t i l l can t hit shite! I got annoyed and whipped , , well, ok, p u l l e d out the WH and obliterated the target. G r e a t . It was like nuking it.
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Found a 1999 Colt Blackpowder Arms Co. Catalog. R e a l l y nice 'book'. 47 pages of color g o o d photos. Good history of each arm presented and so on. Great find. I like it. The 1842 Paterson was made to order with some being premade and listed for- $3500.00 requiring a half down payment. When finished, the full amount due. Engraved with gold and and and. They re still around $2500.00 T o o ooooo much for me. Seems I ll just have to do without a Paterson in my collection for now. C r a p .
Interestingly, in the catalog, the ams are item d with, for example- F1600 for the Walker, F1301 for the 61 Navy. A Colt 2nd gen Dragoon is F1720. Hmmm? I thought I saw where the 'F' signified Forgett ?
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Wanting a 2nd Gen Walker. Gonna sell one of the 3rd Gens and replace it with the 2nd Gen. Been carrying it around showing gun folk. Got a interested party. Will show it on Monday. $750 for it. No box, papers , , nuth n but the gun. We ll see. Some gun store offered $500 towards trade.
I ll get r done.
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Got it at Inland Jewelry and loan on Magnolia. Proprietor- Jeff. You know the place?
Yep been in there a few times. BP guns are rare for them at lest when I stopped in.
Hewy
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Got my shoot bag done finally. Turned out grand! Buckled strap of which clips onto side fasteners, on the bag, made of brass D rings. Also has belt loops for stabilizing/lighter loads. I like it!
Got my chests and trunks lined with cotton duck, brass nail, furniture tacks, attached. Turned out quite nice. The round top trunk hold a l l of my collection. P e r fecto!
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Sounds pretty cool Krylandalian. I have a shooting bag but it's more for a long rifle. I'd like to get a belt, holster, ball/bullet pouch and a necklace with a capper for shooting on the go.
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Yeah! My shoot bag really turned out well. Looks right out of a movie. No fringes. I laced it together with a darker leather. With the strap, which is buckled too, or just using the durable belt stays. it s purty versatile. I also made 'poke' style pouches for all the accoutrements to go in so there all not arguing in the bag. Flask, cone driver, caps, oiler and so on. I made these handy clips, made of heavy wire, of which I can hang the various items on the outside for quick access while loading/reloading and so on,- flask etc.
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All of mine, seems my favorite is the GreyBoxer WH Dragoon. The feel, fit/finish, . The action is smooth and I can f e e l the cylinder rotating. With mass, however, v e r y smooth. Balance and all. The history too!!! The Dragoon balls -conical- really work well!
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Met a guy in the store. I overheard him talk n about the shoot he was involved in. I asked, he told, and I m off to the range! I m gett n ready to take the armoury trunk. I ll fire m all, except the 51 Navy, extra Walkers, Dragoons, far and close, conical and round. I intend to fire the shite outta them pockets to get m all ranged in and sich,
Gonna get a fire goin soon so s to cast a pacel (that how it s spelled?) Of balls. Got a keg full of powder and 500 caps.
That oughta do.
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Pony express delivery today- Colt s Patent Pistols, Pocket, belt and holster (Old/New) Lockwork and spring set. Now, Got it all, for preparedness for range firing. Ready for Shoot n, blast n, blowouts, blow ups, hang/miss/chain fires , .
I still have to get a cone (Nipple) set. I reackon I ll be able to do a lot of shoot n without them , , for now.
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Gonna get a fire goin soon so s to cast a pacel (that how it s spelled?) Of balls. Got a keg full of powder and 500 caps.
pas·sel
ˈpasəl/
noun US informal
noun: passel; plural noun: passels
a large group of people or things of indeterminate number; a pack.
"a passel of journalists"
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Good ol Cap n. Keep n us all aligned and other than maligned (except for enabling excessive purchases of Colt s pistols).
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That's my job! L@.
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You sound all set and ready, misto K. Along with that passel of possibles be sure to include a touch of whiskey in yer poke. A little save the baby can be handy for any snake bite or bad dreams.
No fringes.
Good call.
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Right you are! Sound advice. A space to spare, powder flasks ain t all the flasks to be in there. For a flask of spirit for same effect on me, as the powder for me irons. A blast to be reckoned with.
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Went out fully armed with a Dragoon, Pocket Navy and a Walker. It s huckleberry time. I held up one bush to get a passel. Backed away holding the robbed bush at bay with the Navy in one hand and the Dragoon in the other. Made it back and made huckleberry pancakes.
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Have nt made it to the range yet. Jackasses around here require membership with a 8 hour safety course, . The one in Ukiah requires an NRA membership and an application proces of which is like trying to get into the Airforce academy or the Masons.
Anyway, when I get back to Sac, I'll go and have a b l a s t .
Meanwhile, Out in the woods to s a f e l y fire a few shots. Gotta master that 1849 Pocket. As of yet, I can barely hit anything with it.
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Got my shoot back all sitiated. It has a shoulder strap. I fitted belt supports to it also. I can have it only on the belt, or when loaded kinda heavy, the combination shoulder support and belt supports work well together to carry the load as well as keep the pouch from swinging around. The shoulder straps clips on and off from brass 'D' rings. It, as well as all my shoot gear, accoutrements, appendages, devices and ornaments all are period from around 1857.
Works good.
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Got to show someone how to shoot for the first time. she fired the 1849 Pocket twice. First time ever even holding a firearm.
What better way to introduce someone to firearms than s t r a i g h t through history?!
Reckon I could have had her fire a matchlock or something.
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You could have started with a rock, to be HC... ;)
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Seems we can go shooting at the range I thought required a bunch of registration/application requirements and so on. It s on Forest land, and free to go. It s just participation in the shooting events which require all the arms, legs, first born , .
Found another pace to shoot too. A place where locals go to just blast away. A lot of blown out toasters, broken glass and every shell casing imaginable. On Forest land too.
Gonna 'sight in' them Pocket Models fur sure.
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Found another place to shoot. A v e r y clean and well kept place on Forest land. Gonna go there in a few days. Look n forward to firing- Walker, WH Dragoon, 60 Army, 61 Navy, 62 Pocket Police/Navy and the Pocket 49. Round/conical. I Know the Range Master too! H e l p s a little. I can go there any time. It s legal to shoot on Forest land (Notwithstanding common sens and some posted 'No shoot areas'). Only got 60 yards to work with. The other forest are to shoot is a little farther away and has 100 yards. I d like to get there. Can only go on Sundays due to logging going on there.
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Wwent to shoot.
G r e a t ! Had the entire place to ourselves! Got there at 12 pm and stayed till 6 pm! Set up our table, chairs, canteen (Food), got out the Armoury Chest and had at it.
Fired the,- Walker, WH Dragoon, 60 Army, 61 Navy, 62 Pocket Navy, 62 Pocket Police and the Pocket 49.
She fired her Police. A step up from the 49 she fired (Her first time shooting anything other than a BB gun). She did good and hit the target her second try from 5 yards. At 12 yards, she aimed about 7 inches low and 2 inches to the right in order to hit within a 5 inch center. She then fired the 61 Navy and then the Dragoon. Got good video. When she fired the Dragoon, it was great! A surprised and shocked look on her face. Being 5' 6'' and 110 lbs, that Dragoon looked big. From 7 yards, she hit within 7 inches of the target center.
For me, firing the Walker was g r e a t ! After not having fired one in over 15 years. What a blast! I fired the picket and round ball.
The WH Dragoon fires r e a l l y well! I really like it. It s a Grey Boxer. Amazing how smooth and easy firing it is. The action/trigger pull is v e r y tight and smooth. Almost hair trigger. The 60 Army too! Same as the WH Dragoon. They re both 3rd Gens and r e a l l y great pieces.
Something I wanted to do was test the power of the Dragoon against the 61 Navy (All the wondering of the power differences,- Damage to Tutt, that story of Army vs. Navy against the bear, and so on). Nothing conclusive yet. I was firing at 67 yards. The taget was not adequate. The balls (conical and round) from both just went right through. One thing though, a Dragoon conical hit the dirt below the target support and the impact was great enough to where the whole thing fell over. The Navy s did nt do that. I ll go out again in a few days and set up a thin steel target. See what happens.
That Pocket Police is one mean sucker! from 37 yards, it blasted a conical right through a fairly heavy sheet steel piece of siding. The 49 only dented it. From Navy up hot butter knifed through it. That 60 Army k i c k s !
The Walker, with pickets, was blowing chunks out of a log at 67 yards.
I ll go back out in a few days. Great range. Made coffee, relaxed had lunch ,. Too fun.
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Watching one of the videos I made of her firing a Dragoon, I remembered , , I was standing off to one side and behind her. When that Colt heavy four pounder went off, the shockwave hit me like a puff of air. I giggled with elation.
Great! Just g r e a t .
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Was there the whole day! Well, from 10.30 until after 7 . Some old guy showed up, saying he was Vice President of the range club. We talked for a bit. I had my entire setup out. He took several photos. Said it was something he d never seen before. I let him fire the Pocket 49 and the Second Dragoon. Fun. He was really jazzed and thanked me several times.
Fired the Second Dragoon for the first time today. The Dragoon really is the best of all of them. Did a 25, 40 and 70 yard test. Fired at a 24 x 30 piece of chanelled sheet steel. Behind it a same sized 2 x 12 piece. Most .36 s from the Pocket went through the steel but bounced off the wood. 44 s went into the wood. Dragoon balls went deep into the wood. The Picket from the Walker went through both. That Picket is a blaster! It seems to point its long nose into the wood, turns like a worm, distorts and causes a b i g hole out the back. Or, if it does nt go through, it knocks a lot of stuff over.
I turned the targets around with the steel in the back. At 40 yards all went through the board but bounced off the steel. The Picket made a big dent and split the sfeel.
At 70 yards the board was behind the steel. The 61 Navy went through the steel and stuck in the board half way through the surface. The Dragoon ball went through the steel, deep into the board and knocked it over. The Picket from the Walker blasted the back out of the board.
It was fun to fire the Dragoon at that range. Crack! B o o m ! Clank . With a geyser of dirt. Too cool.
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Got to where I could load fairly fast. I charged all chambers with powder and placed 3 balls at a time in the chambers. Rammed them, oiled them, capped m and , ,
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Got a box in the mail today! Did nt open it yet.
I m hav n a bowl of vegetable and barley soup with Little Smokeys therein.
Life may suck, but , ,
, , n o t now.
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Goin to the Ukiah Gun show, I think it s next weekend. Hmmm? I wonder if I can sell an old, well NIBC, boat anchor to someone who just can t live without it.
L@J
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Get n pretty good with the Pockets. , better anyway. I m still learn n the sight picture. I tend to aim two different ways,- placing the front site at the bottom of the hammer v, and at the top. At the top, I have to aim 2 feet low at 25 yards.
So far, averaging 3 out of 5 in a chest sized target with the .31 and .36 Pockets.
With a hanging flask and pocketed balls and caps, I can load the sucker in less than 2 minutes. I charge all 5 chambers with powder, place 3 balls at a time, ram m, caps , oil and G o !
Have nt hit the 70 yard target yet.
Fun.
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I'm not sure pockets are supposed to be accurate at 70 yards!! Lol!! That's pretty good though! Have the arbor lengths been fixed on these pockets? It's a must for consistency.
Keep having fun . . . .
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
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Right. I am quite happy to hit the 40 yard target with a 15 inch group. The Cylinder pin situation, I am concentrating on the heavies first. I am concerned for damage more than accuracy of fire.
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This little .31 is quite the plinker. fun. with one spoutload from the small eagle flask, which is a light load, this thing is something between a .22 cap and short. Quick to load, and with my oiler, it is not fouling at all. I can fire it all day long. It actually is quite a hard hitting piece with a full load.
Read an interesting little piece from old Colt docs. Explaining why .36 was stamped on the trigger guards of the Pockets,- so to distinguish it from the .31 model, so as to not mistakenly try to put the wrong barrel to frame and so on. same for the New Model Holster with .44 on its guard.
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Well, after m a n y moments of searching through various forums/threads, I finally discovered helpful information regarding percussion cap sizes etc. Talk, talk, talk, chat, BS left and right , then finally! ,- Someone posted a cap size chart.
Now I have Rem/CCI caps that fit a l l my Colts except for the two Walkers. Well, the Rem 11 goes on. but I r e a l l y have to push on it.
Oh! Credit for the w o r t h w h i l e info goes to Fingers McGee.
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Went Outland Ranging today. Went with a WH Dragoon and a Pocket 49. I was feeling a little down the past days. A m a z i n g how packing around Colts repeaters in vintage gear can perk me up to giggl n and a grin n .
G r a n d !
WH in a chap leather full flap holster in a socket, mounted on a waist belt of heavy latigo. The socket is supported with a light shoulder belt. Really helps distribute the weight. Pocket 49 in a socket full flap holster on the waist belt. I also have it to where it can mount on the shoulder belt, a separate dedicated shoulder socket/holster belt (similar to the Josey wales thing), as well as a calf belt/socket arrangement. A 10'' Bear and Son Bowie is inside connected to the shoulder belt. A 'Ranging kit' with small flask, ball pouch, cap pouch etc for a reload for each pistol is carried in a shoulder satchel (Shoot pouch) with a compass and tele sight glass.
Loping through the woods, it all rides quite well.
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Gonna go back to the shoot area for more 25, 40, 70 and 100 yard shooting. I ll bring a target of a 12 foot 2 x 12 halved, joined abreast with a piece of sheet steel attached to it. A nice target that is around 4' wide and 6' tall w\chest plate.
With my 4 in Pocket 49, that sucker s going down !
Going to Sacramento for the 4th Nov ? Gun show. I think there s one is Placerville too. In anycase, I m bring n back 2 old Walkers and a Pocket 49.
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I am arrived!
Back from adventures and escapades!
Great fun! Stayed in a B&B in Placerville, visited the gold country ,- Coloma and and and. Grand! I tell ya! Got all my business accomplished as well. F i n a l l y got all my possessions taken care of. All arsenal items finally dispositioned. Had a few pieces more than I remembered. Got rid of em all except for 4 of which I returned with and have , , said pieces in my possession ,- 2 ASM Walkers, 1 DGW 6'' Model 49 Pocket and 1 C series 1978 Colt 3rd Dragoon.
I am w a y happy to have the Dragoon again. On the way returning here, I stopped along the way and fired it and one of the Walkers. G r a n d ! I ll report on this maybe tomorrow. Sending away the pistols promised is a little delayed due to my trip having lasted longer than anticipated, and I have been ill for the past week. Just recovering and ready to get back at it.
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Gun show in Placerville was good. The weather was drizzly. I left the coast, went direct Placerville. Got there in 5 hours. No food. Ha! There was a good BBQ place with a doughnut shop right next door. Perfecto! One seller at the show had a large collection of BlackBoxers. 650 for the dragoons! All in near fine condition with box/docs. The Sac gun show sucked.
Firing one of the ASM Walkers, 2 pickets. It was easy to press them into the chambers. They were nt tight. Both with 45 grains of powder. Not much of a boom. 25 yards, the balls just penetrated the 2x 12. There was a slight bulge on the back from one of them. Reminded me of reading an after action/turn in report from 1848 when the Arsenal reported on the condition of the turned in Walkers. Barely firing with some reports not much more than cap snaps.
My poor ol BrownBoxer 3rd Dragoon needs some work. It fired well, however 1- One chamber won t fire (cone seems to be threaded to deep, for I replaced it more than several times) 2- Base pin laterally wobbles. 3- Wedge is 95% bottomed. 4- Cylinder short stops 5- Hammer locks when let down from half cock to between chambers. We ll get er square.
It s good to have all the Dragoons together! 4 of them! The three BlackBoxers and one GreyBoxer.
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Colt Greyboxer New Model Army is out! I m replacing it with a BlackBoxer.
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Captainkirk, 99whip and LonesomePigeon,
I am getting your packages ready. I have been delayed with extended trip, illness and I have been taking photos of all pistols together , ,. Anyway, I want to include some other things in the packages. I want to send to you, one of: 1- full flap Walker holster, 1- book/guide on the proper accessories for Hartford Colts, 1- Dennis Russell guide #6.
Can the three of you work out what goes to who? Meaning,- All agree on who wants what and who gets what.
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Kry, I'd be interested in the Hartford accessories guide, unless someone else really wants it, in which case you could surprise me. Either way, it's really generous of you to do all of this.
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Hi Kry, I already have a copy of Dennis Russell's #6 guide. I guess the holster would be my first choice. I am fine with 99whip getting the accessories guide. What does the Captain say?
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Since I don't have the Dennis Russell guide, that's okey-doke with me! ;)
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Whew! Like all here, evidently, I have a hard time getting back to this forum, in any timely manner, resulting in the s l o w goings on and attention here and and and (the realativity of it being 'dead' here).
Anyway, BlackBoxer, Colt s Patent Repeater, Army, New Model of holster caliber, aquired. , well, almost. I have to go to the post office an pick it up.
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Ok then. That was easy. Thank you. I ll get it all packed up and sent out. You ll all get it by Christmas anyway.
ASM Walker (Gen. Twiggs) & #6 Guide to Capt.
ASM Walker (Bigfoot Wallace) & Holster to L.P.
6'' Pocket 49 (James W. Marshall) & Accessory book to 99whip.
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Shoot package pretty complete now. Holsters, belts, hangers (sockets), clips, all accoutrements/appendages (flasks, molds, cone drivers, parts/springs/screws, oilers, pouches and pokes, cap tins, .), trunks, chests and boxes, patches, gold pins, catalogs and adverts,.
All pistols are kinda in teams. I ll go out with, say- The WH Dragoon and the 49 Pocket. The 3rd Dragoon and the 51 Navy (They re both BrownBoxers and kinda go together. The Dragoons sit in a belt held socket supported with a light shoulder belt. The Pockets fit in a cross shoulder belt socket holster, or underarm shoulder socket holster, or a calf inside tuck half holster. The 60 army and the 62 Police, 61 Navy and 62 Pocket Navy, Dragoons and various Pockets, Walker and 51 Navy/Pockets ,.
Sometimes 3. A heavy with a medium and a pocket, Shoot satchel with small flask, oiler, enough ball/cap for a couple of chambers for each. Oh. I take the Bowie too.
Gotta cast more balls! Amazing how much powder and ball one can go through in an afternoon of shooting! I filled a Navy flask, soon it was empty and I was wondering if I forgot to fill it! It does nt take long for the Dragoons to eat it up!
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Ok 99whip, yours is going out first. I intend to send it USPS Flat Rate within the next 5 days.
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Thanks Kry, nothing like the excitement of waiting for a cool gun to show up in the mail.
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Right you are! Thank you! I have a , 2! , B E u tiful Walkers, just the way I wanted them, thanks in part to you.
Got the 60 Army from the post office today. I n c r e d i b l e how near prestine and 'New' it is! Out with the old and in with the 'new'.
I stopped by the gun shop where I have the retired and replaced 'Authentic Colt Blackpowder Signature Series 1860 Army, Reissue, Genuine, Collectable, Colt' for sale on consignment. I showed him the replacement. I unboxed it right there in his store. Fun!
I spent the next hour marvelling at it and petting it. , polishing the brass and in general, making an ass out of myself. At one point he was looking at me and I just said,- 'Yeah. Life sucks.'
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She s Off! 99whip, Esq. One, Colt s patent (replica), pistol of pocket calibre, 6'' with loading lever attached has been, as of this day and year of our Lord,- 4 Dec 2017, forwarded to your address, along with accompanying accoutrements guide. USPS Priority. Tracking code to be forthwith PM d to your , , private message , , thing.
I remain, Sir! , with honor and in great humility,
Your most Obdt Srvt,
Me. (Brevet Maj. of the Escodrille/Escopette Rangers and Armory Quatermaster thereto).
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Capt. You re next. I am assembling your pack to go.
Please advise.
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Oh! LonesomePidgeon. Welcome back. As it is, The Capt ns is lined up on the pad for launch. You re after him. If he don t advise in a timely manner, ASM 1 will be returned to the ready pad, and your (ASM 2) will be prepared for launch.
BTW! Thank you for your offer. I want it!!! The heads up regard n the spruce, well advised Sir!
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Capt. You re next. I am assembling your pack to go.
Please advise.
PM sent
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FAB (Thunderbirds). ASM 1 is GO!
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Ok Capt n. All is go. Approved as requested. I ll get it out.
In the interim,- Squawk 4324 and ident, Climb and maintain FL 330, direct SAC. Hold on top. Expect ILS 03. Conditions are zero/zero. We ll install a CATIII C for you though. Be advised OM and MM are out of service. Bring it on in ACE. We ll roll the equiptment for you.
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Right Capt n. Radar contact. Resume own navigation. At your discretion, squawk 1200, maintain VFR conditions, or not. You re cleared direct for a straight in. , a h e m call the tower when you get in.
Good call on the donation and such.
Thanks.
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Right on 99Whip.
Perfecto.
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Mssrs. CaptainKirk and LonsomePigeon. You are hereto notified of forwarded pistols,- Colt s Patent -replica- (ASM) of the Walker pattern + additional items aforementioned, of 1 ea, per each to you, to addresses of Ye.
Forwarded this day via USPS Priority flat rate mailing. Tracking reference to be PM d to the both of Ye forthwith. ETA: This Friday.
I remain Sirs! With the greatest of honor, your n humble and obdt. Srvt,
Colt percussionist.
P.s. I printed out more than many photos of my arsenal/armory. If you would like, I can send some to you. , to post or whatever.
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Well, the tracking codes are not to be found. No worries. I mean if needed I can get them.
As I stated, The post folks said they l be to you around Friday.
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Thank you, good sir!
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Soooo, just when we're these guns listed as being for sale? Must have missed it.
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Soooo, just when we're these guns kissed as being for sale? Must have missed it.
Had a sip or two did we? *6'
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Soooo, just when we're these guns kissed as being for sale? Must have missed it.
Had a sip or two did we? *6'
Me thinks Mazo just had a wee dram
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Nope, haven't had a drink in 2 weeks. Just posted from my iPad which likes to make up it's own words! I thought I had checked it. :-[ I edited it to what it SHOULD have said!
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Soooo, just when we're these guns listed as being for sale? Must have missed it.
Much ado over a mystery sale; I missed noticing it too for some reason. Maybe I dont apply enough attention to the details, or something.
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Mystery revealed via- Walkers and Dragoons section, topic: Gotta have a ahem,, 2 second gen Walkers,.
No sale. It was an exchange of courtesy, generosity and gratitude.
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Kry, Walker and holster received yesterday. I like dovetailed rear sight. Many thanks.
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Mystery revealed
No sale. It was an exchange of courtesy, generosity and gratitude.
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Kry, Walker and *extras* received today. Lovin' it! You da man! New Walker and Joaquin Murietta are having a family reunion in my gun safe...
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LoneomePigeon, you are very welcome. The 2 Walkers I now have, large in part to your help ,. Anyway, ,
Thank you.
Btw, the rear sight. Good out to 800 yards.
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Glad you like it Capt. I am happy to know they are appreciated. It pained me to let m go. But, out with the old and in with the new.
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Opened the armory chest in preparation for another shoot. Worked more on the ones needing care. 3rd Dragoon (barrel to frame seating), 62 Pocket Police and 62 Pocket Navy (barrel to frame seating - cylinder base pin bottoms out in lug before barrel fully seats against frame table- This is the case for the Police. Where with the Navy, the frame table fully seats leaving a gap between cyl/barrel, as well as the base pin not fully seating inside the lug. , also, the wedge is too tight (does nt protrude fully to the other side). The 1st Dragoon- Wedge won t protrude, cyl/barrel binds. Base pin to barrel gap? Hmmm.
2nd Dragoon has flawless action, timing and fit. WH too!
Stepped on something barefoot. Got a little pissed. Lifted my foot to see an exploded cap stuck to my foot. I smiled.
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New shoot getup- 2nd Dragoon, 51 Navy, Pocket Navy and 49 Pocket. Shoulder supported Dragoon, 51 in a slip socketholster on the other sideof the Dragoon, in the belt, the Pocket Navy is in a shoulder holster, the 49 in a calf holster. I have nt fired the 51 Navy yet. I m going to do a 70 and 100 yard comparrison shoot with the Dragoon and Navy. This time with max loads and round ball.
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G dog, did you survive that helicopter ride? You did nt get the collective up your six I hope.
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Had something fun happen today,-
I went to the gun shop where I had my 3rd Gen 60 Army on consignment. Being friends with the owner, we were BSing and just relaxing when in comes this guy with a friend. The friend freaks out and beelines to the case where the 60 is. He goes on and on about how his dad had an original that was nickel plated and and and. He said he was outa there to go to the bank for the money. That sucker came back in 20 minutes and bought it! He really wanted the display prints and other things in the case with it. I gave him all he wanted- Colt pin, a couple of balls, prints of various things like loading instructions, old print from the 1940s ,.
We talked about how to load/fire/care for it and so on for a bit and off he went.
Great! That was fun.
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Nice job Kry, sounds like you probably turned him into a BP shooter.
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Nice the way some things work out.
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Well, what s one more. Right?
The only basic model I don t have of the BlackBoxers is the Baby Dragoon. I would like to have one that is as new as can be, with box/docs.
So, if n anyone has any leads and so on, I d be much oblig n.
Next time I go to Placerville, it ll come in handy agin them there armed foot pads, waylayers, road agents, highwaymen and their ilk.
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Yeah, that guy that bought the 60 Army, it was a very nice experience to see him with such enthusiasm and interest. He was almost pleading with me to go home and bring him back a small amount of powder, cap and ball for him. I could nt do it then.
Talking with him about the ins and outs of caring/loading/firing , history ,, answering questions about Colts 'Reissues' and so on. I m going back to the shop to see if there are any updates from this new shooter.
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Alright then, All'Ya ll ready yurnselves for inspection! Line up according to height in alphabetical order. Asses out!
(Practicing with re-scaling/resolusion sizing to fit within the 128KB limit here)
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I see a full 'Josey Wales' in the happening,- 2 Walkers, a 60 Army and the Pocket 49. I am curious to see how many misfires/jams etc will happen, while alternately and fully firing both Walkers, then the 60 and the 49.
Calfire may show up!!!
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Dragoons are G O !
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Ranging ready with 47 Dragoon, 49 Pocket, accoutrenents and appendages.
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Well, I m done with experimenting. Pic quality just ain t cutt n it within the 128kb thing.
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Well, I enjoyed it!
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Hey Kry, your pics are fine. keep em coming.
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Hey Kry, your pics are fine. keep em coming.
+1 (7&
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Ok then. I have a lot more, and I m able to clean them up slightly. So, here are more. One per post though, due to the total size restriction.
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Dragoon with Pocket backup.
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Great to see your collection Kry.
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Pretty good pix if'n you ask me.
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One of my favorites to carry around,- The two Signature Series I have. The 49 Pocket makes a grand backup to the WH Dragoon. Both are finished the same, They re both v e r y well made, fit/finished and fire crisp and tight.
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The ' 12 ' . 2 are 'C' Series, 2 are Signature Series and all the others are 2nd Gen ' F ' s.
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Nice line up.
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Hey, thanks. Maybe you d like all the leather work I did too. All pretty simple, but it works well. See if I can get a pic in.
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Most of the leather. Just wacked together with simple lacing.
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My small collection of ads and brochures and such.
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Two with their pins.
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This little sucker uses a l o t of powder! This should do it!
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Nice photos Kry, glad we can see your collection. The leather looks good, has a "frontier" look about it. Just what you might expect from a guy who has to use what he has and get by on his own. I like what you've done.
Where'd you get that reproduction powder keg? I need one like that for photos too.
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Here s where the keg came from-
I bought a dog collar rum keg. I removed all the tap/plug, made the wooden plugs, labels and other stuff. It holds a little over a pound of powder.
Just a side note- Back in the day, it wasn t called black powder. It was just called gun powder. Not until after smokless came around was it then called black powder. I like the blackpowder thing though. So I did it!
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Colt s Patent pistols of Navy calibre,-
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I thought it wasn t supposed to be easy to sneak up on an indian?
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All 12.
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Appendages and accoutrements-
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Let s see now, which to use to , ,-
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Now, that's what I call a tough decision.
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Casting
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Conicals and rounds from the 4 Colt molds.
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Bought a BlackBoxer Pocket 48 today. Waiting for it to arrive. This pretty much completes my Colt collection. One of each of the standard models. I actually wanted all the other models for the pistols that they are. Really, the only reason I want the Baby Dragoon is to complete the collection. I do have a GreyBoxer 49 Pocket. This one I D O like and 'use' it a lot.
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Colt did some very nice ads for these things!
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V e r y heavy holster pistols,-
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Cased New Model Police,-
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All the square framers (except the 48 Pocket, which is coming),-
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Man, that is one sweet collection, Kry. (7&
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Thanks man. These Colts are works of art. The appeal they have is second to none really,- the geometry, stamping, the varible colors, even the maintenance and stuff they need.
There s nothing like them.
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My overnight kit,-
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Can you believe it?! A L L of my collection fits in this trunk! Belts,holster, bags etc too!
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The long pocket, someone here, in the forum, got,-
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In my room in a Placerville CA B&B,-
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Shoot ready,-
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Can t beat it!,-
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Stuff,-
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We looked at a pile of pistols . . . .
and learned some interesting things.'
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That little sling thing is what I connect to a belt hook. Works quite well.
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Thanks for the photos of your "stuff" Kry. That pile of guns looks like you just dumped them out of sack onto the bed.
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Great collection Kry, you gotta nice pile of accessories too!
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Thank you both.
The pile. You can imagine, I v e r y carefully placed them, positioned etc.
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More stuff,-
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Packed. Ready to go and shoot. Just got to load it all on Flying Kringle (sled).
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,,loading,-
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,loaded. , a h e m .
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Pocket ready,-
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,loaded. , a h e m .
Do you have a draft horse or a team of dogs to pull that sled loaded with your gear?
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The armory chest, loaded weighs 75 lbs ! As far as pulling it, Actually the sled runs along quite well. The runners are 2x 4s with band steel along the bottom. Goes fairly nice really.
This photo, I suddenly herard- 'Clear the counter dammit!' She heard- Yes Maam!
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Mush! Ok, it s not loaded like in the other photo, but as I said, it goes fairly easy.
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Just sitt n there ready in case any rogue chipmunks or the like try and cause a ruckus.
One time I was in a shabby bunkhouse alone, I thought I was alone, and I heard it again! This time, instead of throwing one of my boots, I drew my model 48 Dragoon and fired. That should scare it off ( a critter of some kind root n through the trash.) The next morning there was a big rat! Dead. I got it!!! Just fired in the dark! The ball nicked it and went through the wall into the dirt outside.
I guess when a lead ball the size of your head 'nicks' you, your going down!
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Hmmm? What could make all that smoke and noise?!
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Size evolution of the square ones,-
-Gotta get the M1848 Pocket in the picture-.
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After coffee, it s out for early morning ranging the boundary. Hard to see but that s the Whitneyville Dragoon and the M49 Pocket. Both Greyboxers,-
Oh! You can see my Christmas present! That lamp. Thing is great. I had to make a coolie hat heat deflector that goes over the chimney though. Otherwise it can t be under anything less than a yard distant.
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On the hook, ready,-
Looks like a lot of gear. I wear it though. Heck! It i s a lot of gear!
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The rat shoot n I did in the bunkhouse, was back in 1982. In 1985 it happened again! This time it was with the M1850 Dragoon that the Captain now has. In Aubrey TX, I was in, a h e m , the Formans (meaning me) house, when I heard it a g a i n ! Loud enough to wake me up, I took hold of the heavy four pounder and snuck outside. Just outside the door there was a palet with stuff on it, tarped over. It was v e r y dark and I could nt really see. I waited quietly and then heard it! I fired. Same thing. The next morning, a rat. Dead.
I fired from about 6 feet away at the noise. The loaded charge wasn t a ball though. It was rat shot. Either #8 lead shot, or BB s. I don t remember.
So Cap n. Your innocent looking Dragoon is a regular downright bad n. A murderer. Yours too 99Whip.
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So Cap n. Your innocent looking Dragoon is a regular downright bad n. A murderer. Yours too 99Whip.
I reckon I can live with that. L@J
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W h e w . Back to refill the light pocket flask,-
Not the best flask for re-loading the Dragoons! (I carry this little flask with a light ranging group of just enough balls,caps and powder for 1 reload each of the pocket and holster pistols -This little flask is the smallest of the two. I meant to carry the other one).
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Root n through stuff, look n for something to play with,-
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The pin pile,-
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Here can be seen the heat deflector I made for the lamp,-
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Kry, I'm beginning to think you take your BP seriously. L@J
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Yeah. W a a aaaayyyy too much f u n .
Tailgate,-
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I just got a wild hair, thought of a sled, looked around, found loose lumber and w h a c k ! Hader done in 3.5 hrs!,-
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Work n it,-
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C l o s e r ,-
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Done and done!,-
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Hope you used square head nails and barrel bands for the runners. Have to be period correct you know.
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I would have, had they been available.
Here. For you,-
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Holster in work,-
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, for the model 51 Ddagoon,-
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Got a new book. Amazing how folk carried on back then,-
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You called my horse a strumpet?! I demand satisfaction!,-
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Hmmmm? Some of them be gone to new homes,-
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All 12 are in there. Soon to be 13,-
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The line-up,-
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One more,-
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Great looking collection Kry.
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All this pistoleering worked me up an appetitie,-
I can cook quite well. Also, after years and y e a r s of practice, I can now ACE buscuits and gravy.
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My little chuck box,-
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Here can be seen the setup I have for one of the heavy holster pistols. The waist belt, the socket, support belt, a smaller socket for one of the pockets and some clips and such,-
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Another view of it with a v e r y heavy holster pistol , , holster,-
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Little difficult to make it out, but here is the shoulder setup I made for the pockets. All four,-
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Hartford Conn Dec 11 47
Dr. C. B. Zebriskee
Jacksonville Ill
Dear Sir
Your favor of November 29th received and be assured my dear Sir . . .
. . . .The government has ordered me to make a second thousand of these new arms varying a little from the Walker model which together with a pocket gun which I am getting up for market will occupy me all winter. . . . .
In Haste
Sam Colt
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Ha! Colt has the pocket model done! I ordered one!
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Wow! My poor ol model 51 Dragoon is r e a l l y in bad shape. The barrel cone to cylinder face gap was so great, I had to take off some of the water table to barrel area material. This brought a good gap closure, but now the base pin is being pressed down by the tighter fit in the barrel lug space, which is causing the cylinder to rub/jam against the frame table.
Also, when the hammer is let down between chambers, the hammer locks and cannot be cocked. The hand is bevelled in a way where the hand beak jams against one of the pawl ramps on the back of the cylinder.
Poor ol Dragoon. We ll getter joined aright.
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Great looking collection Kry.
That's not a collection. That's an armory.
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.. . .The government has ordered me to make a second thousand of these new arms varying a little from the Walker model ...
In Haste
Sam Colt
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Were those going to be the Whitneyville Dragoons?
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Right you are!,-
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'Second thousand' refers to the 'Second contract' . This was after the WH Dragoons. Basically, they were '1st Dragoons'. A lot of confusion resulted as Colt did the SNs different. It s large in part what brought on the 'Fluck Dragoon' confusion.
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The streamliners!,-
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Sleek, sexy and streamlined! Look n good!
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Dragoons. Basking like a bunch of fat and lazy seals!
S h e e s h .,-
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Obviously Dragoons can brag!!! A l o t !,-
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Their 'Guard' is up. HA! HA H a h a . . a h e m . Anyway, the Walkers and Dragoons,-
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Digg n. Try n to find the Dragoon mold,-
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I love this description of the Dragoon's: basking like fat and lazy seals. Especially since I live near the beach and have seen groups of seals, the comparision is perfect.
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American Rifleman April 1979 Article
One page write-up about how Colt toured it around and offered it up for auction.
V e r y first Colt 'reissue' Walker #1,-
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Too cool! This little sucker is a four shot revolver! The chambers angle to converge into the barrel. It s pinfire.
Too much,-
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Hmmm? What s in this package , , HA!
Good ol Colt! Got up for market a pocket model , , er , it b e t t e r bei in there!!!
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I ve been on a Pocket Pistol thing for the past weeks. Got a March of 1982 Guns & Ammo with a - return of Colts Percussion Pocket Pistols article. Phil Spangenberger got one each of Pocket Navy and Pocket Police. They re described as - Colts reissues.
He goes on to describe the basics and tells how the Police outshot the Navy in accuracy and power. He doesn t state/speculate why though.
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Another from the G&A Pocket article,-
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Old Model Pocket and Improved Model Pocket (lever attached).,-
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Colts Pocket settl n in with the others. Figures. Congregat n together talk n smack about how cool they are. Like a pack of pairie dogs chirp n and bragg n.
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Newest addition to the Colt clan lov n its appendages/accoutrements. Eager to go out and shoot!,-
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Lot of leather to carry stuff for two pistols! Model 50 Dragoon and Model 49 Pocket ready to go,-
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Fugg n shrooms get big around here!,-
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Dinner time! Ribeye, Salt steamed potato, Kumato tomato, Avocado and Ciabatta bread,-
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Curious. In an article from 1980 about the new Colt Walker, from Colt, the tester states it to be a little different from the original in that it only weighs 4 lb 7 oz instead of 4 lb 9 oz. Doesn t give any reasons.
Hmm? Wonder why?
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Curiously, this ad from an issue of American Rifleman, 1979, shows these three Colts. All 3 don t have the frame Colt's Patent stamp.
From another promo ad from, maybe the same magazine, states in part,- [ ' . . the five, thus far offered Colts . .'] Pictured are: 3rd Dragoon and 51 Navy, 60 Army (standard 60 and the cavalry variation with shoulder stock ,.) and the New Pockets. This photo too shows the Pockets without the frame stamps.
On the color pamphlet that comes with the pistols, the cover shows a Walker. It is without S# on the cylinder.
Hmmm?
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These Colts are dangerous!
Admiring my new , Old Model Pocket 48, I was twirling it. Doing this fancy forward then backward trigger guard twirl, as I reversed it in the back twirl, I felt this slicing pain! The tip of the trigger was so sharp it sliced a 3rd inch cut through my finger just back of the second knuckle. I since filed, honed and reblued the tip. Doesn t do that anymore.
2 weeks ago, I bumped into a chest that had a few Colts on top. A holstered Walker fell off right onto my toe. It hurt! Bruised it too.
Oh! My index finger knucle is still recovering from when I first got my 51 Navy. The trigger guard is a lot smaller than all the others. When I tried to twirl it, it torqued my knuckle B A D !
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It s a lot of fun reading through all these 70s and 80s articles about how the ol Colts are back, how they shoot and and and. To see the various articles and photos of all of them, and to be able to take any one of the Colts out and hold it, compare it and so on, yeah,
Great! Just g r e a t .
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A little snack,-
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Yep, your doin good Kry.
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You have redeemed yourself. And we believe you now. L@J
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Gett n ready.
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Just got in the mail today, a CBAC 1849 Pocket .31 I already have one and I fire it like crazy! I love that little gun! It s fit and finished nicely, crisp action/timing. There s no blowback of the hammer, cap jams are virtually zero to none , , it s just great! Anyway, fearing wearing it out, I got another one!
# 341687
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A brace of Pocket '49s
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Shoot report. I made this layered pine board target. Balls recovered/un fired balls on the top edge for comparrison.
This is a typical target of the period. It simulated, fairly well, hit affect on a person. The penetration, splintering/sharding of the wood, simulated striking bone, sinew etc. The balls are easily recovered too. One full penetration was considered lethal. There s question though of the clothing layers that was included in this. A shirt, undershirt and light wool jacket? I figured that a full 3 board penetration equalled heavy outer layered (clothed). Another question is exactly how thick the boards were then. Meaning,- Were thy like they are today, about 7/8'' after planing? Or were they a full 1''?
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This is fun. I got this recently. It has all kinds of info in it. letters, descriptions, prints,. Some curious things,- No Baby Dragoon photos. Like the brochure that came with the pistols, no photo of it either. Seems the Baby Dragoon was the last model made and there wasn t a prototype? Another curious thing, the Pocket .36s were with 6'' barrels! Seems they were originally going to be made this way. The early promotional/brochure photos (1979) were of the prototypes that were not even in production yet. they were lacking a lot of the numerical/letter stampings.
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Colt really did some great marketing and advertising back in the 70s and 80s. One of my favorite is a full page ad from 1979 where Colt is introducing the 'Authentic Blackpowder Series'. On the page shows the prototypes,- 1860 Army and the two Pocket .36s and a wonderful sales pitch that included a unique extra: The enticing incentive, getting the Gold Colt pin Here s an excerpt,-
'..As an owner of a Colt blackpowder revolver, you will be entitled to own and wear a distinctive gold 'Shooters' pin. Which will identify you as an a member of an exclusive fraternity of blackpowder enthusiasts. Only owners wishing to experience the thrill of shooting an authentic Colt blackpowder revolver will receive this pin. Be a participant in history and not just a spectator..'
Great huh?! Ooooh! Entitled! , exclusive fraternity ,.
Great! Just g r e a t .
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I have an unmarked Baby, presently inoperable. I'd like to get her up and running again.
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What is it? A Colt? I know someone who has an 1862 Police from 1867 and it has no markings other than S #.
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Those are definitely drool-worthy, Kry! (jh
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I don t dispute that! I have w a y y yyyyy too much fun. Ate up/got it bad! Always have.
s i g h .
Btw Capt. You were asking about the size of the .31s. Although your Q was about the diameter, you can still see the two elongated sizes in that one picture above showing the 48 sitting on all the balls. Just for a little perspective. Light elongated,- 57g. Heavy,- 78g.
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Pouched and , ,
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Nice!!! L@.
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Btw, thank you Capt.
It seems I have a living, (fire) breathing museum.
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Thank YOU for sharing it with us, Kry.
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Pocket protectors.
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Hi Kry, neat pockets!
I have been thinking of getting the Pedersoli Screw Barrel kit and nitre bluing it:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8502/category/327/category_chain/312,325,327/product_name/PH0545+Pedersoli+Screw+Barrel+Pistol+Kit
I wonder if any of our members have the Pedersoli Screw Barrel pistol and what they think of it?
Regards,
Richard
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You re getting the Liege screwbarrel?! I can t wait to hear how you like its firing etc!
I have a blast with mine!
Be careful! Once I fired it at a old and hardened 2 x 12 that was used for concrete forms. From 6' that fugg n ball bounced off and hit me in the upper thigh. It broke the skin and bruised me. Man!
At 12 yds though, it went right through one 1'' pine board and bounced heavily off the second one.
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Hi Kry, I ordered the Pedersoli Screw Barrel pistol kit. I had previously said that I would never do a kit gun again. So much for intent. Every kit gun that I finished turned out much better than the equivalent factory finished replica firearm. Both kits and finished replica firearms purchased are only firearms with potential requiring a good deal of gunsmithing.
The only issue I have with the muff gun is that there are no sights. It's begging for a laser sight? )lI )lI )lI
Since you already have a screw barrel, maybe you can start a thread for Screw Barrels under "Brand X"?
Regards,
Richard