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Long Guns => Scatterguns => Topic started by: ssb73q on August 12, 2019, 08:31:56 AM
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Hi, turned the money from my 1858 Carbine into a Pedersoli 12ga flintlock shotgun:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/9488/product_name/FS3031+PEDERSOLI+SCOUT+SHOTGUN+FLINT+12+GAUGE
I have always wanted a flintlock shotgun, but they were always too expensive for me. The price of this single shot seems fair and will give me some experience with a flintlock BP Fowler. Shooting Lee cast 12ga slugs should also be a hoot.
This shotgun is light weight, 5.5lbs. Light weight is appreciated at my old age.
Regards,
Richard
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Oh, sweet! &\?
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Hi, I turned the money from selling conversion cylinders into a Pedersoli 12 gauge double barrel kit:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8619/product_name/PS0940+Pedersoli+Magnum+Double+Barrel+12+Guage+Shotgun+Kit
I like kits like the plague, but considering cost this looks like a path for a double percussion 12 gauge shotgun.
It's a Pedersoli, can I go wrong?
Regards,
Richard
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Wow, even the kits are big money.
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If you are planning to shoot a cast slug from a 5-1/2 pound gun, your idea of "a hoot" is a bit different than mine!
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If you are planning to shoot a cast slug from a 5-1/2 pound gun, your idea of "a hoot" is a bit different than mine!
Hi mazo, recoil from one ounce of either shot or slug would be the same. I would rather have recoil kill me than any other thing. lol What's nice about muzzleloaders is that one can control the amount of powder used.
Regards,
Richard
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I've got a Pedersoli SXS 12 gauge and it's a hoot with a .690 ball and 100 grains of powder. :-*
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Hi, the Pedersoli Scout 12ga flintlock shotgun arrived today. It lately seems that all new guns need work. The lock came to full cock only one time. After the first, each hammer pull back failed to lock up, the hammer dropped back to half cock. Okay, I have an extra Pedersoli lock so I installed it in the shotgun. No good, the trigger wouldn't release the lock. Inspection shows that the new lock has the sear with a step putting it closer to the trigger than my spare lock. So the shotgun lock was disassembled and internal parts stoned and lubed. That seemed to help where I can get the lock to stay put at full cock. Will it stay there? Only time will tell. I put antiseize on the barrel cleanout screw and vent hole.
Other than the lock issue, the shotgun is perfect in every other respect. Of course, it's a Pedersoli.
Regards,
Richard
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well, take some pics.. i wanna see too...
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Hi AG, Sorry, I'm no longer going to waste time posting photos to this message board that disappear in time. IMO valuable archives have been lost. Everything dies, guess that also applies to message boards.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, gearing up to do some BP shotgun shooting from my house deck. I ordered this clay thrower:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FDSUI6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Also, supplies like cases of biodegradable clays, shot, wads, and 2f Olde Eynsford powder.
Shooting clays off my deck into the backyard should be a hoot, a sport of kings. Gotta love living in the country.
Regards,
Richard
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That should be a blast Richard (literally speaking). I do hope you share your experiences with the Pedersoli.
All the stuff you sold me in now in the hands of some very grateful cowboys. If you ever come to Tombstone, you'll be able to see some of it in action...
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Hi AG, Sorry, I'm no longer going to waste time posting photos to this message board that disappear in time. IMO valuable archives have been lost. Everything dies, guess that also applies to message boards.
Regards,
Richard
Maybe so but we could still enjoy seeing them in the here and now.
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Hi AG, Sorry, I'm no longer going to waste time posting photos to this message board that disappear in time. IMO valuable archives have been lost. Everything dies, guess that also applies to message boards.
Regards,
Richard
That would be a shame. I have always enjoyed and admired your pictures Richard. I post elsewhere that we need to get you guys up to speed on posting pictures. If you use a stable hosting site, there won't be a problem. The pictures all be here forever. If you use something like Photobucket or attachments, those aren't stable. Get a free Flickr account and post pictures from there. Simple copy and paste operation. Flickr doesn't watermark the pics and you get storage for 1000 pictures for free. And no ads popping up all over while you're manipulating your pictures.
So please, don't abandon picture posting. It's really easy, and enhances this site that you love so much. Because I KNOW you love it.
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Hi Dave, I started with Photobastards, then Flickrcrap, and they all lost my photos. I finally thought I had success posting as attachments. So much for expectations.
Tomorrow I'll post some attachment photos of the flintlock shotgun.
Regards,
Richard
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So far I've had good luck with Imgur.
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Hi, as promised, photos of the Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun. The bird feeder platform that the shotgun is on will hold the clays thrower. One photo shows part of the back deck. The back yard from the deck goes 40yds to my pasture. Shooting from the deck will be fun and safe. It will be nice to not have to travel far to do shotgun shooting.
Regards,
Richard
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Richard, you are a lucky man. That is a fantastic spot to shoot from every day. If I had such a spot, you couldn't pry me away from it! I'd be shooting all day, every day!
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Nice fowler and definitely a nice place.
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Hi, gearing up to do some BP shotgun shooting from my house deck. I ordered this clay thrower:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FDSUI6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Also, supplies like cases of biodegradable clays, shot, wads, and 2f Olde Eynsford powder.
Shooting clays off my deck into the backyard should be a hoot, a sport of kings. Gotta love living in the country.
Regards,
Richard
Sorry, Richard, I am not impressed with that unit. It looks cheap. You will need a piece of rope to release the arm.
Read the reviews (42). It appears that customer service is just about non-existent.
Trius is a much better name and has been around for decades.
https://www.amazon.com/Trius-10205-Original-Trap/dp/B0000C53F4/ref=pd_cp_200_2?pd_rd_w=0h6QC&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=GH1F2RWYJGVCMACW0AHZ&pd_rd_r=e6276701-755c-4da7-8e5d-5539fa71bf74&pd_rd_wg=ULPE2&pd_rd_i=B0000C53F4&psc=1&refRID=GH1F2RWYJGVCMACW0AHZ
Jim
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Hi Jim, I selected that thrower was because it appeared the easiest to bolt to my bird feeder platform. The trip lever appears to be easy to trip using only one person, the shooter. The thrower at the bird feeder platform height looks perfect for one person use.
Worst case, the unit fails to satisfy and I buy something else.
Regards,
Richard
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Richard,
I am only giving my $.02 worth because I want you to be a happy camper.
For two years ('69-'70) I worked at a commercial trap/skeet range (Roberts' Shooting Park Elkhorn NE) setting/pulling trap/skeet for $1.50/hr. We used Blue Rock (no longer made) and White Flyer clays. Champion also makes clays these days. I have no experience with Champion, but White Flyers were well-made clays. White Flyer also makes bio-degradable clays (for more money). The older composition clays were toxic to hogs, but not to cattle.
I don't like the spring clip that fits over the dome while on the blade. When you load the trap, do it in the uncocked position, and cock it afterwards. It will save your fingers if there is an accidental release while doing so when cocked. We were taught very early to "swipe" the clay(s) onto the blade with the clay(s) shallowly cupped in the palm of the hand(s) over the dome of the clay, because one could never be sure when the puller would release the blade. Two hands were needed for doubles shooting. They were electric motorized traps which would reset/recock the blade immediately after release, and the blade mechanism would oscillate more than several degrees back and forth (to present the clays at different angles for the shooters) making it that much more tricky to load.
Check every clay before you place it on the blade. A good clay will have a dull "ring" sound when tapped against another clay. A cracked (even a hairline crack) clay will have a "clack" sound, and should be discarded. It's not fun to have one become clay "shrapnel" in your vicinity.
Good luck in your endeavor, sir!
Regards,
Jim
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I had a Trius I bought in the 80's. It got stolen last year. It was a great thrower.
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Hi Jim, these are the cases of clays due to arrive soon:
https://www.cabelas.com/product/CHAMPION-BIOBIRD-CLAY-TARGETS/3368746.uts?slotId=1
The idea of biodegradable makes sense since shooting in the back yard. If manual tripping of the thrower becomes an issue, a solenoid with foot switch can be cobbled to the thrower.
The Pedersoli 12ga double kit is due tomorrow. I have been seeing reviews of the kit that the steel parts other than the barrels are in the white and need to be blued. That includes the percussion locks. My experience doing nitre blueing should come in handy. IMO nitre blued metal parts on the shotgun will have it look elegant.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi Jim, these are the cases of clays due to arrive soon:
https://www.cabelas.com/product/CHAMPION-BIOBIRD-CLAY-TARGETS/3368746.uts?slotId=1
The idea of biodegradable makes sense since shooting in the back yard. If manual tripping of the thrower becomes an issue, a solenoid with foot switch can be cobbled to the thrower.
The Pedersoli 12ga double kit is due tomorrow. I have been seeing reviews of the kit that the steel parts other than the barrels are in the white and need to be blued. That includes the percussion locks. My experience doing nitre blueing should come in handy. IMO nitre blued metal parts on the shotgun will have it look elegant.
Regards,
Richard
I agree Richard. That will look very elegant. I really want to nitre blue the barrel and cylinder on my G.U. project.
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Hi, the double barrel Pedersoli percussion 12ga shotgun kit arrived today. The barrel is finished in a beautiful blue, but all the other metal parts are in the white. The metal part being in the white will let me sand the stock right up to the metal parts providing an excellent fit. IMO this will be a long term project to finish.
The clay thrower arrived yesterday and has been assembled. Kind of like an erector kit. You are old enough to know what an erector sets is, aren't you? In the next few days it will be mounted on my bird feeder platform and I'll take photos.
Regards,
Richard
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Great looking gun Richard. I can't wait to see how you finish it. I'm sure it will be spectacular.
And yes, I had an Erector Set when I was a kid. Wish I still had it.
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It looks good. I like the sling swivels. It looks beefier than mine but I guess being a kit you can lighten it up as much as you want. Mine weighs about five pounds and the barrels are too thin to thread for chokes. Not that I would want them choked.
(https://i.imgur.com/0dNJ2jjl.jpg)
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Hi, the thrower has been bolted to the bird feeder platform. Two photos, the first with the thrower cocked. The second with the thrower fired. I will give the thrower a good dose of WD40 to help minimize corrosion and maybe cover it with a plastic garbage bag.
The cases of biodegradable clay birds are due to arrive today.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, sometimes things don't go well. One of the clay bird boxes arrived today and every bird in it is fractured to bits. What a mess in my dining room! Cabelas will refund my cost, but I really wanted the clays.
Looks like shotgun shooting will have to wait a few days. K_) K_) K_)
Regards,
Richard
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Well that's a real bummer. At least they'll refund your money.
Can you get them locally? I'm pretty sure Walmart still sells them. At least they do around here.
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Hi Dave, you were right, Walmart has biodegradable clays for $6.88/90 box. I bought four boxes. The Cabelas clays were $9.99/90 box. Good to know that I can always get the clays nearby for less money than Cabelas.
If the weather is good I will set up the throwing position of the thrower tomorrow. I'm new to this shotgun clay's stuff so I will set up a high, directly away, from me throw. That should give me the best chance of hitting any. The flintlock ignition delay time will add some spice to this sport.
Regards,
Richard
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That's great news Richard. Cheaper and no shipping. I'd call that a win!
You are going to have your hands full, operating the thrower and a flintlock. I wish you had a way to video yourself while doing it. Can't wait to hear how it goes. Should be a lot of fun!!!
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Hi, the thrower was set up to throw clays directly out from me. The throws appear very reproducible from throw to throw. The clays travel 40yds from the thrower. I could probably get another 10yds by elevating the thrower some more, but the 40yds is pretty good. I measured out powder (60gr Olde Eynsford 2f) and shot (1oz Ballistics products #5) into small half ounce plastic containers. The container has a snap cap closure. A Pachmayr Decelerator was put on the 5.5lb 12ga shotgun just in case mazo is correct and that I would shoot my teeth loose with such a light shotgun. This is the Decelerator:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1115184314
I have a roll of paper arriving today for patterning the shotgun:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NFFXNFJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Patterning comes tomorrow.
Regards,
Richard
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A Pachmayr Decelerator was put on the 5.5lb 12ga shotgun just in case mazo is correct and that I would shoot my teeth loose with such a light shotgun.
Not unless you're recoil sensitive. My 12 gauge SXS weighs around the same, maybe a little less. I want to say it weighs five pounds even but it's been awhile since I weighed it. It will let you know it's there with 80 grains of Swiss 2F and an equal amount of #7 1/2 shot by volume but it's not punishing by any means.
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Not unless you're recoil sensitive. My 12 gauge SXS weighs around the same, maybe a little less. I want to say it weighs five pounds even but it's been awhile since I weighed it. It will let you know it's there with 80 grains of Swiss 2F and an equal amount of #7 1/2 shot by volume but it's not punishing by any means.
It all depends upon stock fit. If the stock has a large drop at the heel (3"+) it's going to come up and hit you in the cheek, no matter the cheek weld. My Dad had a Fox Sterlingworth 20 gauge with a 3-1/4" drop and it was a veritable pain to shoot. The less drop at the heel equates to more recoil into the shoulder rather than the face, and the gun will come back under recoil easier to manage.
Jim
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Hi, I paterned the Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun. 48" wide paper was suspended between the paper roll and 3" diameter mailing tube, see the photo. The shotgun was fired a number of times 30yds from the paper target. Both compressed fiber wads and plastic shot cups were used. Since the barrel is cylinder bored, the shot spread was wide, however most shots had at least 3-4 shot holes in the target 4" center. All the fiber wad shots were consistent, the plastic shot cups showed variable results. Some of the shot cup shots had a tight centered group, tighter than using the fiber wads. However a couple of the shot cup shots showed a pattern like a donut, shot holes missing in the center. In the future I will only use the fiber wads. The second photo shows the loadings. First powder (60gr), then a 1/8" powder wad, then either the shot cup or 1/2" fiber wad, then the shot (1oz), and then the thin shot cover wad.
Felt recoil was minimal, however I was using the Pachmayr Decelerator slipped on the stock butt. One could shoot the shotgun all day without fatigue. Flintlock ignition was instantaneous with no fails to fire.
I think If I was hunting with this shot gun, I would limit my shots to ~20yds or so using the loadings tested.
Regards,
Richard
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Sounds like pretty good results. I hope you're as happy with the Pedersoli as Suzanne is with the carbine. I don't think she's even put it down since she got it.
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You can tighten patterns by using more shot than powder or open up a pattern by using more powder than shot. You can also make a paper shot cup that works better than plastic.
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You can also try working up to an 80 grain powder with 1 1/8 oz load and see if the patterns improve. Of course with a little varying of the powder and shot ratios you have a pretty good bunny busting and close rising quail gun as it is. GF
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I like to use 70-80 grains ffg, light over powder card, ~1/2" lubed felt wad, shot cup made from file folder stock, filled with equal volume of shot, then light over shot card. Plastic shot cups are too loose in the bore of ML guns, and can cause plastic fouling.
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Hi guys, thanks for all the suggestions, they are very much appreciated and very helpful. I decided to load more than 1oz of shot in the 12ga shotguns in the future and ordered a shot bag that will throw 1.25 or 1.5oz of shot, the English version:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/100/1/FLASK-ENG-S
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, the fall of my discontent has begun. I hate kits and always prefer buying firearms already assembled and finished. Sometimes a budget interferes with the purchase of a finished firearm where the kit is the only economical choice. I have started work on the Pedersoli 12ga double percussion shotgun kit. This is the kit:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8619/category_id/324/category_chain/312,322,324/product_name/PS0940+Pedersoli+Magnum+Double+Barrel+12+Guage+Shotgun+Kit
The ram rod, sling post, barrel, and locks have been removed from the stock. All the other metal parts installed on the stock will be left on so that the wood can be sanded down to those steel parts. This should provide a perfect fit of metal parts to the stock wood. Pedersoli supplies a bag of extra blued screws to be used for final assembly. All the metal parts including the screws installed will be sanded down with the stock wood. That will remove any bluing from the installed screws. Since I intend on nitre bluing all the metal parts, I will also nitre blue the sanded and polished screws and other polished metal parts. All the metal parts except the trigger guard and butt plate will fit in my Lee 20lb niter bluing pot. The trigger guard and butt plate will require nitre bluing in a longer tank, experimentation will be required. The lock plates are already nicely color case hardened and will be left as is. The roughed detail of the wood stock is excellent and only require minimal sanding. The stock will then be stained and Tung Oiled for the finish.
The pain begins. ;) ;) ;)
Regards,
Richard
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Sounds like you have a lot of "fun" ahead of you Richard!
We'll be watching!
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Richard;
You, sir, are a glutton for punishment. J*j
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Yeah, but the reward is the pleasure in knowing YOU have done the work!
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Yeah, but the reward is the pleasure in knowing YOU have done the work!
Hi mazo, I agree. Not long ago I did a brass framed 1851 kit. It was the worst rough brass casting I ever saw, but I spent the time to finish that revolver. I had zero need for that revolver so just to get rid of it I gave it to my son-in-law to use as a display item. Little did I realize it, but my son-in-law now treasures that revolver because I made (finished) it.
I'm going slow with the Pedersoli shotgun kit because I want it to be as perfect as I can finish it. I already put in two hours sanding the stock and at the rate I'm going it will take at least another twelve hours of sanding. My goal is to have both the metal parts and stock be a seamless transition. Each of the locks will require the internals polished and tuned. I have as much fun working on firearms as shooting them. My goal is to have the Pedersoli SxS ready for shooting by early spring. Hope I live long enough. ;) ;)
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, I'm at least six to eight hours sanding the Pedersoli shotgun stock. Started with 100 grit sandpaper, now at 150 grit. The stock is wetted and heat gun dried occasionally to raise the fibers for removal on the next sanding pass. After a while doing this one feels like the wood is becoming part of you. I knew that Pedersoli used walnut, but didn't know that it was American walnut. This is a video showing stock making at the Pedersoli factory, interesting the length of time ageing the wood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrq0rwp0vbQ
Regards,
Richard
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I've got a curly maple stock for a bolt action rifle that was rough cut. Now that is some freakin hard wood. I've been working on it off and on for around seven years(mostly off) 80 grit doesn't do much. I've got the tool marks out of most of the flat surfaces but the curved parts are giving me fits.
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Hi Hawg, seven years? I would have given up six and a half years ago. Maple is hard, but you make it sound like it has a hardness of quartz. Instead of starting with 80 grit you may want to try using 100 grit?
I'm up to 320 grit and wetted down and dried the stock for 400 grit next. The finish will be applied after sanding with 400 grit and removing the remaining metal parts. These finer grit sandings are going faster than expected. Instead of using Tung oil, I intend on finishing the shotgun stock using Tru-oil. There are a few YouTube videos on finishing with Tru-oil. The finishing process seems easy.
As the stock gets closer to finishing, the figure in the wood is nicely seen when the stock is wetted. The wood of this stock is typical of the lower grade Pedersoli rifles, minimal figure. I suspect that Pedersoli keeps the richer figured wood for their premium firearms.
All the metal parts still require sanding and polishing for bluing. The small parts like screws can be done in the Lee led pot. The length of some of the metal parts will prevent nitre bluing in the Lee pot. I have a stainless steel container that should work for nitre bluing the long parts on my kitchen stove.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, the stock sanding with 400 grit has been completed. All the metal parts were removed from the stock and disassembled. The Pedersoli parts envelope contains all the screws blued to be used with the kit. However, I expect to sand and polish the original screws that will be nitre blued. The Tru-oil finish comes next.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, a clamping stand has been made to hold the Pedersoli shotgun stock when doing the Tru-oil finishing. This stand will let me clamp the stock in a bench vice while finishing. It also serves as a finish drying stand.
I bought a Pedersoli shot flask from Track of the Wolf. While waiting for that flask to arrive it was noticed that eBay had a similar shot flask auction. I bid low on it and won the flask. The swede of the eBay flask is a bit dirty. Does anyone know how to clean and condition suede? Now I have two shot flasks for holding different size shot. I currently have #5 and have #7.5 shot on order. Also ordered was 00-Buckshot.
The Tru-oil just came in the door. I may yet have this Pedersoli SxS 12ga shotgun finished before winter.
Regards,
Richard
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That is looking VERY nice, Richard! Congrats on winning the bid for the shot flask. I like Tru-Oil and have used it many times. It is a bit shiny when cured, but nothing that a bit of #0000 steel wool won't cure, followed by a severe rubbing with a piece of used denim.
How is the trap shooting going? I am interested to hear about that.
Regards,
Jim
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Hi Hawg, seven years? I would have given up six and a half years ago. Maple is hard, but you make it sound like it has a hardness of quartz. Instead of starting with 80 grit you may want to try using 100 grit?
It's at least as hard as quartz. *6' I'm not much of a wood worker. I can sand a stock down and refinish it but this is the hardest wood I've ever dealt with. 80 grit is coarser than 100. I spent hours and hours on it. I even tried 80 grit on a jitterbug and the results were better but not by a lot. I finally resorted to a grill cleaner block and got better results. It only took 8 of them to get it smooth from the tip to the grip but the grip and contour around the cheek piece is giving me fits. I would have bought a finished stock but nobody sells one with my trigger guard dimensions. I should have gotten a walnut stock but I wanted this rifle to be special. If I can get it smooth I still have to deal with the barrel channel which is only 1/2" but at least the barrel isn't tapered.
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In the late 60's my Dad inherited a Win Model 12 (1932 manufacture) field grade shotgun that he wanted to refurbish/"pretty up" (that was the mindset of the day). He bought a birds-eye maple stock and fore-end from either E.C. Bishop or Reinhardt Fajen (I can't remember) from Arkansas. I remember him telling me that it was the hardest wood to work, and he even resorted to using a reciprocating electric sander on a lot of it. It turned out to be a very beautiful gun. It was a 16 gauge full choke and I killed two pheasants out of two presented (one at 60 paces!) when I came home on leave from the USAF in 1972. He died in 2010 and his widow had possession of it and would not even let me buy it from her. I have no idea what happened to it. So sad.
Jim
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Hi Hawg, yes, 100 grit is smaller grained than 80 grit. I was suggesting using a grit that takes a shallower cut using less force. It of course will take more strokes, but maybe allow the sandpaper to attack the wood. Just a thought.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi Hawg, yes, 100 grit is smaller grained than 80 grit. I was suggesting using a grit that takes a shallower cut using less force. It of course will take more strokes, but maybe allow the sandpaper to attack the wood. Just a thought.
Regards,
Richard
I started with 220 and worked my way down. I was seriously considering 50 on a belt sander but thought better of it. I was leery of the grill cleaners but they don't scratch it up much at all. I didn't mean to hijack your thread.
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Hi, the Tru-oil finishing of the stock has begun. I am loosely using the finishing schedule as shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSob-1qYLzc
The first coat of Tru-oil was applied with two parts of mineral oil to one part of Tru-oil. That coat was sanded with 400 grit sandpaper while the Tru-oil was liquid on the stock. After drying for three hours the stock was rubbed down with #000 steel wool. A second coat of one to one mineral oil to one part Tru-oil was applied and let dry for twenty four hours. The stock was then rubbed down with #000 steel wool. The stock was cleaned with a dry cloth and then a coat of straight Tru-oil was applied to the stock. This coat will be dried for twenty four hours and then wet sanded with 400 grit sandpaper to bring the finish to a smooth finish. While waiting for the Tru-oil to dry the polishing of the metal parts has begun. Some of the metal parts need to be sanded smooth before the polishing. I intend to polish the metal parts to a mirror finish before doing the nitre bluing.
So far so good, but a lot of work is still ahead of me.
Regards,
Richard
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Looking good. :-*
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Looks really good Richard. That stock has some nice grain to it.
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Hi, thanks guys. The polishing is coming along, but going slowly. The middle item in the photo is the photo is the trigger block base. Notice that the so called engraving has been washed out on the upper part of the base. That's too bad, but I had to remove enough metal to have the base that is shown smooth.
I have a number of dremel polishing wheels coming today to get the underside of the trigger guard. Also have new buffing wheels and polishing compounds coming today:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NKRD2S4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XJINV42/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BGV23GK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UOLUQ6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079X52ZG5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Regards,
Richard
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I believe the system is fixed now Richard. The photos all came back, as well as everyone's avatar.
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Hi, the fifth and final coat of Tru-oil was applied to the stock. It has been drying for twenty four hours, but I will give it another day before installing the metal parts. I think that the stock came out pretty nice. Since the Lee 20lb lead pot is too small for bluing most of the stock metal parts, I needed to do the Brownell salts nitre bluing on our kitchen range. The range has an oblong center burner that exactly matches the size of my oblong stainless steel container. The photos show the stock with final coat of Tru-oil and the startup melting of the nitre salts. The stock metal parts were nitre blued at 590 dF. The last photo shows the blued parts.
Regards,
Richard
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WOW!!! Well done Richard!
Those parts look fantastic! Once assembled with your beautiful stock, that is going to be one eye catching shotgun.
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Hi Dave, thank you. All the other metal parts were reassembled back on the stock. Instead of nitre bluing the screws, I used the blued screw set supplied by Pedersoli. If motivated in the future I will nitre blue the screws. I must admit, that for my skill set, the finished shotgun stock looks beautiful to me. The locks are being worked on, polishing and lubing. I will grind down both lock's sear springs to produce a lighter trigger pull. I expect to be shooting this shotgun by next week.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, the Pedersoli 12ga percussion shotgun is almost complete. I had a bit of a struggle getting the barrel wedge to start. A little file ramping of the wedge leading edge did the trick. The barrel slot where the wedge goes in also had the leading edge broken. Each of the locks sear spring were narrowed to provide a nice trigger pull. What is remaining is the ramrod. A light sanding was done and Tru-oil applied. The ramrod will get another coat of Tru-oil tomorrow.
IMO the shotgun looks gorgeous. I think that doing the kit produced a more beautiful shotgun than a completely finished Pedersoli pedestrian grade shotgun. )l_ )l_ )l_
Patterning the shotgun will come next week if the weather is good. Patersoli seems to be using two beads on their current shotguns. I'm not sure I like the two bead aiming system. Maybe it will take getting used to?
BTW, did I tell you that I hate doing kits!!
Regards,
Richard
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For a guy that hates doing kits, you sure knock em' outta the park!
Just gorgeous Richard.
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Looks good to me!
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That is flat stunning......great job!
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Outstanding work, Richard!
Yeah, I hate kits too, Funny thing, though...some of my finest guns are kits.
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Looking good Richard!
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Hi, thanks guys for the kind comments. I patterned the Pedersoli 12ga shotgun kit @30yds this morning. A couple of dozen rounds were fired. The load was 75gr Black Mz, followed with an over power wad, followed with a fiber cushioning wad, followed by 1-1/4oz #7.5 shot, and followed by an over the shot wad. The cylinder bore shot pattern covered the whole width of the 48" paper, the modified bore produced a tighter pattern. I had an issue using the 1/2" cushion wad causing the center of the pattern to be light with shot holes. Cutting the cushion wad in half closed the center of the pattern. I have seen internet references were other people report the center of the pattern to be light with thick cushion wads. The conjecture is that the wad overtakes the shot column causing it to blow open.
I was waiting for my order of a large Pachmayr Decelerator to arrive in the mail. Wouldn't you know it that a sub is delivering the mail today and the Decelerator has not yet arrived. I have a small Decelerator that I managed to slip over the butt. It sure helped taming the recoil which was very stiff, much more than experienced with the Pedersoli flintlock 12ga shotgun. However, the loading used with the flintlock was much lighter than what I was using today. BTW, I began to really feel the recoil in my shoulder at the end of the shooting today. The recoil from the muzzleloading shotgun is much more intense that what experience when shooting my Mossberg 500 shotgun. In the future I intend on using a lighter loading with the BP muzzleloading shotguns.
Bottom line, the Pedersoli 12ga percussion shotgun is a keeper, it is beautiful and I am very proud to own it.
This post competes the building and shooting of the Pedersoli 12ga percussion kit.
Regards,
Richard
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Happy it worked out so well after all the time you put into it. It's just gotta make you smile.
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Glad you were finally able to fire and pattern it. It sure is a beauty, and now it seems a performer too. Excellent result.
75g of powder is a good load. I run 70g in my black powder cartridge 12ga loads. I am using 2F though. Don't know if there is a difference using real vs. a sub.
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You did a really nice job on it Richard.
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Hi, this morning I cleaned the Pedersoli 12ga shotgun. If I was using real black powder I would have cleaned it right after shooting. Black Mz is minimally corrosive where a cleaning delay isn't an issue. The Black Mz has a grain size between 1f and 2f and is a perfect powder for the 12ga percussion. There was zero fouling when shooting using the Black MZ, however I suspect that the chrome lined barrels helps a lot. After finishing the cleanup and placing the shotgun on a dinning room chair, I noticed gray and red squirrels, and mourning doves coming in to admire the shotgun. I suspect they knew the shotgun was unloaded? )lI )lI )lI
Regards,
Richard
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You know you've done a good job when the "critters" come out of the woods to get a look at your new shotgun.
Good job there Richard.
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After finishing the cleanup and placing the shotgun on a dinning room chair, I noticed gray and red squirrels, and mourning doves coming in to admire the shotgun. I suspect they knew the shotgun was unloaded?
Regards,
Richard
It appears that "someone" put out quite bit of enticements on the deck.
Jim
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That's a great picture!
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It appears that "someone" put out quite bit of enticements on the deck.
Jim
Hi Jim, What, you didn't believe that the squirrels just came to admire the shotgun?
The birds do that dropping seed husks and seeds from the bird feeder, see the fourth photo in this post:
https://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,3287.msg34742.html#msg34742
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, when I bought the Pedersoli Scout flintlock shotgun a separate ramrod kt was ordered:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/9645/category_id/334/product_name/RA1201+RAMROD+KIT+FOR+PEDERSOLI+SCOUT+SHOTGUN
Notice the front ramrod support is a sleeve that is slipped on the barrel and then tightened. However, I have a problem, the sleeve won't slip over the front bead sight. I think I need to remove the bead to install the support. I have on order a tool set that is supposed to hold the bead for removal:
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/shotgun-sight-tools/set-steel-sight-installers-sku080791000-879-3302.aspx?sku=080791000
Has anyone here ever removed a shotgun bead that can help me and give me some advice?
Regards,
Richard
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You can't back the set screw out and open the clamp enough to get past the bead?
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Hi Hawg, I tried that, but the sleeve wouldn't go over the bead.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi Hawg, I tried that, but the sleeve wouldn't go over the bead.
Regards,
Richard
Well that sucks. Most American/English shotgun beads screw in but I dunno about Pedersoli.
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Hi, I got to shoot the Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun today using the new clay bird thrower. Ignition seemed instantaneous. There was plenty of time to shoulder the gun and pull the thrower lever. The clay bird was ~30yds before the gun fired. I tried shooting two dozen rounds and never hit the clay bird once. To test if I was sighting the shotgun correctly, I put a clay bird in the grass @20yds and blew the hell out of it on the first shot. I thought I knew what I was doing in that I have taken geese on the wing using my Mossberg 500. Clearly I don't. While today is a series of misses, I learned something new. When putting on the overshot wad, the compressed air in the barrel took a long time to seat the wad. I found that nicking the edge of that wad allows the compressed air to release and allows easy wad insertion. I used 1oz of #7.5 shot and 60gr of Olde Eynsford with 4f Swiss in the pan today.
However, even with my limitations I had a lot of fun. It's neat waiting a fraction of a second for the smoke to clear to see if the bird got hit.
This afternoon the 22lbs of #9 shot should arrive. Maybe more shot per round may produce better results on the clay birds.
Regards,
Richard
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Could it be that there is enough velocity difference between the BP and the smokeless rounds that your swing time is off enough to make you miss? I think it might with only 60 grains. GF
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Hi Richard! Good to hear you have started shooting clays. Please do not think I am being condescending about your efforts when you read this post, but I have a bit of experience about this.
I am assuming the trap is in front of you when you shoot and that most are the shots are straight ahead (seeing the width of your shooting area). Regulation ATA (trap) and NSSA (skeet) clays are thrown at speeds of 82-85 mph, and I highly doubt your trap machine even approaches those speeds. Hence, your clays (flying more slowly) start to drop much before ~30 yards. With straightaway shots the shooter does not move the gun much. I sincerely think you are shooting over the clays.
If you would do so, check all of the picked-up clays you have shot at and see if there are any grazing marks on the dome of the clay(s). I would also try to employ a spotter friend standing directly behind you looking straight over the gun barrel. With BP your spotter might have to stand on a chair or small ladder to see above the smoke cloud. If the spotter can see the clay when you shoot, the shot cloud should be able to be seen, especially with 1 oz. of #9 shot. It may take a few attempts to do so.
Again, just suggestions sir.
Regards,
Jim
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Hi, enough of the clay bird stuff. Today was a test shooting Lee 1oz slugs with my Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun. I sure put the hurt on my steel targets. Nothing like a 1oz slug hitting the steel gongs. The gongs sang almost as loud as the gun discharge. Powder used was 60gr Olde Enysford with 4f Swiss in the pan. Groups were ~4" from 25yds.
I had a couple of fails to fire today. Seems that the flint in the shotgun needs knapping. I think I have fired ~100rds without issue, but it is clear that the flint needs either a replacement or knapping. I have some new French Amber flints that I may give a try. Track of the Wolf was out of the French flints for almost a year, but they are now back in stock. I see many internet references where flintlock shooters swear by the French flints.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, when I bought the Pedersoli Scout flintlock shotgun a separate ramrod kt was ordered:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/9645/category_id/334/product_name/RA1201+RAMROD+KIT+FOR+PEDERSOLI+SCOUT+SHOTGUN
Notice the front ramrod support is a sleeve that is slipped on the barrel and then tightened. However, I have a problem, the sleeve won't slip over the front bead sight. I think I need to remove the bead to install the support. I have on order a tool set that is supposed to hold the bead for removal:
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shotgun-tools/shotgun-sight-tools/set-steel-sight-installers-sku080791000-879-3302.aspx?sku=080791000
Has anyone here ever removed a shotgun bead that can help me and give me some advice?
Regards,
Richard
Hi, the Brownell's tools for removing shotgun sight beads arrived. IMO that product is worst product that I ever bought from Brownells. First off, the jaws screws are almost impossible to operate. Second, there is some kind of black finish that comes off the tool and is very difficult to wash off my hands.
However, I did have success getting the bead off using a small tap wrench. The bead turned with slight finger pressure. When installing the bead back on a little blue loctite will be used. With the bead off, the ramrod front support slid right on the barrel.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, I took the double barreled 12ga percussion shotgun and tried hitting clay birds. I got zero for ten using 60gr Olde Enysford and 1oz #9 shot, a bummer. I then took out my modern 12ga shotgun and got 5 for 5 using 1oz #7.5 field loads. Guess I still have a lot to learn about shooting muzzleloading shotguns.
Maybe I need to pattern them again?
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, I was looking to buy an spare sear for my Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun. I have two similar extra flintlock locks where all the internal parts are the same as my Scout lock except that the shotgun has a longer leg on the sear. Nobody in the USA has that sear in stock. I emailed Pedersoli on how to acquire that sear. Pedersoli told me that the sear hasn't yet been shipped to any distributor in the USA, but would send me one as a promotion. The sear was airmailed from Italy and I received it in five days. Gotta love Pedersoli!
Regards,
Richard
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Cool Beans!!!!
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Hi, I got to shoot my Pedersoli 12ga SxS again today using clay birds as targets. On my first shot, a miss. I was thinking, "here we go again". However, I finally got the Pedersoli dialed in were I hit every clay bird launched thereafter. The solution was in the shot size I was using. I was using #9 shot that is pretty small. Even though there are a lot of pellets, each pellet has minimal energy compared to larger sized shot. The #9 must have been bouncing right off the clays. Using both #7.5 and #5 shot blasted the hell out of the birds. Most just showed a smoke cloud after being hit.
I love that Pedersoli, especially since I can now hit flying targets. This is an example of "never give up".
Regards,
Richard
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Excellent news!
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(7& You da man Richard!
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Hi, I purchased the Pedersoli Scout Flintlock shotgun last fall:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/9488/category_id/315/product_name/FS3031+PEDERSOLI+SCOUT+SHOTGUN+FLINT+12+GAUGE
Sold some .22 conversion cylinders recently and used that money to order the flintlock's percussion brother:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/9486/category_id/316/product_name/PS3021+PEDERSOLI+SCOUT+SHOTGUN+PERCUSSION+12+GAUGE
I'll post some photos when the shotgun comes in.
Regards,
Richard
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Richard, you might have to change your moniker to "Shotgun Richard"!
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Hi, the Pedersoli Scout percussion 12ga shotgun arrived yesterday. The fit and finish is perfect and is an almost perfect match to my Pedersoli Scout flintlock 12ga shotgun. Other than being percussion, the bore of the percussion shotgun appears to be chrome plated. Can't wait for good weather to shoot the new percussion shotgun.
Regards,
Richard
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Hi, the weather was nice today and I got a chance to shoot the new Pedersoli percussion Scout 12ga shotgun at clay birds. Shot it a couple dozen times using 60gr Black Mz and 1oz shot. I tried using fiber wads, plastic wad, and different combinations without being able to hit one clay bird. Before I try this again I will pattern the shotgun and see where it really hits compared to its two bead sights. Even though I didn't hit a clay bird, the shotgun functioned flawlessly. Every pull of the trigger had the shotgun go bang.
Regards,
Richard