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Title: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Gray Fox on July 01, 2021, 08:34:51 AM
I'm backordered at Taylors and everywhere else that sells Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders.   Taylors licensed the production of the cylinders from Howell and I assumed they contract out to one or more machine shops to have them made.  Now, if that machine shop is in Italy, I could understand the problem.  Have any of you heard anything from the grapvine?  GF
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Captainkirk on July 01, 2021, 09:01:59 AM
Same reason there are no bullet moulds available. Or reloading dies. Or powder. Or primers...

1) People are hoarding
2) 5 million new gun owners in 2020
3) people wanting "under the radar" firearms
4) business backlogs due to pandemic
5) all of the above
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on July 01, 2021, 09:23:29 AM
I'm backordered at Taylors and everywhere else that sells Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders.   Taylors licensed the production of the cylinders from Howell .  .  .   GF

  That was just for the 1858/6 shot cylinder. If you want a "drop" cyl, Howell should have them as well as gated conversions. You can also check with VTI and ask Lisa about a Kirst conversion.

Mike
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: AntiqueSledMan on July 01, 2021, 10:30:44 AM
Hello Grey Fox,

I emailed Kirst asking about a 5 shot 1851/1860 cylinder in .44 Colt,
they replied no custom orders until they get caught up.

I did look at Midway's page and they have them.

AntiqueSledMan.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: mazo kid on July 01, 2021, 12:24:44 PM
This wasn't recently, but I ordered a conversion cylinder for my Dragoon on sale at Midway. I haven't seen any for close to that price since!
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Gray Fox on July 01, 2021, 12:27:57 PM
I'm not wanting to do a Kirst gated conversion, just a drop in.  GF
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: mazo kid on July 01, 2021, 06:12:27 PM
I'm with you, if I want a gated revolver I'll get a '73. The conversions work for what I want.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Gray Fox on July 02, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
If we ever get to see one again.  GF
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: AlaskanGuy on July 02, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
have you also been watching "the Bay"? i see them pop up there fairly regular
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: ShotgunDave on July 02, 2021, 08:50:23 PM
Nothing wrong with a gated conversion. I love mine!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50954530233_83de6c522d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: AlaskanGuy on July 03, 2021, 06:13:49 AM
very nice Dave. I like the gated conversion. i have enough colt types so that one gun being a perm conversion is fine with me...
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: mazo kid on July 03, 2021, 08:43:13 AM
I never said I didn't like the gated conversions, just that I didn't want to make one from a percussion revolver. When you do, you no longer have a percussion revolver.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: ShotgunDave on July 03, 2021, 12:01:18 PM
Sorry Em. I didn't mean to indicate that you didn't like them. You were just pretty firm that you wouldn't have one.

For me, they fill a niche. If you want a representation of a Colt-Richards conversion, this is an easy way to get one. The ones made by ASM and others are hard to come by. So this is the way I went instead. Plus, it was fun to make, allowing me to use my creativity.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: mazo kid on July 03, 2021, 03:39:17 PM
I HAD an ASM open-top conversion that I foolishly sold to a friend a while ago. It was in 44 Colt and I had made a box of ammo. I never did shoot it. I sure wish I had it back now. That said, I do have '73 type guns to fill the hole.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: ShotgunDave on July 03, 2021, 08:30:17 PM
I'd love to have one of those ASM guns Em. But as you know, they're rare as an honest politician. I have the 1860 Army, my homemade conversion, and a 72 Open Top. An ASM Richards would fill out the collection nicely.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Hawg on July 03, 2021, 09:40:05 PM
I'd love to have one of those ASM guns Em. But as you know, they're rare as an honest politician. I have the 1860 Army, my homemade conversion, and a 72 Open Top. An ASM Richards would fill out the collection nicely.

I recently bought a Uberti RM conversion but it's more like a cross between a RM and an 1872 open top. It doesn't have the hole for the ram, it's .38 Colt/special caliber, it has an octagonal barrel and a cone front sight. It even has the 1871,1872 patent dates.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: ShotgunDave on July 05, 2021, 10:20:14 AM
I'd love to have one of those ASM guns Em. But as you know, they're rare as an honest politician. I have the 1860 Army, my homemade conversion, and a 72 Open Top. An ASM Richards would fill out the collection nicely.

I recently bought a Uberti RM conversion but it's more like a cross between a RM and an 1872 open top. It doesn't have the hole for the ram, it's .38 Colt/special caliber, it has an octagonal barrel and a cone front sight. It even has the 1871,1872 patent dates.


I remember when you got that Hawg. It's a good one. Even if it's not quite right, it's still a good representation of the type, to fill the hole in the collection.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Hawg on July 05, 2021, 11:03:20 AM
I'd love to have one of those ASM guns Em. But as you know, they're rare as an honest politician. I have the 1860 Army, my homemade conversion, and a 72 Open Top. An ASM Richards would fill out the collection nicely.

I recently bought a Uberti RM conversion but it's more like a cross between a RM and an 1872 open top. It doesn't have the hole for the ram, it's .38 Colt/special caliber, it has an octagonal barrel and a cone front sight. It even has the 1871,1872 patent dates.


I remember when you got that Hawg. It's a good one. Even if it's not quite right, it's still a good representation of the type, to fill the hole in the collection.

Yeah but you know how I am about fantasy guns lol. Maybe I'm starting to see things a little more like some of you do.  (jh It may not be historically correct but I kinda like the thing. :o
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on July 05, 2021, 11:40:46 AM
Hawger said "starting to see things .  .  .  more like some of you do .  .  . " "it may not be historically correct .  .  .  " !!!

What the HELL?!   


OK, HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HAWG lately??!!!!!! (*3

Mike
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Len on July 05, 2021, 11:47:46 AM
Hawger said "starting to see things .  .  .  more like some of you do .  .  . " "it may not be historically correct .  .  .  " !!!

What the HELL?!   


OK, HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HAWG lately??!!!!!! (*3

Mike
Oh sh*t, this sounds serious. Anything we can do ???
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: mazo kid on July 05, 2021, 11:52:49 AM
NOW you tell me they are scarce. Well, my friend DID say he couldn't find one anyplace and that was probably 5-6+ years ago. I should have done my homework before selling the gun. I hadn't planned on it before he stopped in to visit.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: ShotgunDave on July 05, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
I'd love to have one of those ASM guns Em. But as you know, they're rare as an honest politician. I have the 1860 Army, my homemade conversion, and a 72 Open Top. An ASM Richards would fill out the collection nicely.

I recently bought a Uberti RM conversion but it's more like a cross between a RM and an 1872 open top. It doesn't have the hole for the ram, it's .38 Colt/special caliber, it has an octagonal barrel and a cone front sight. It even has the 1871,1872 patent dates.


I remember when you got that Hawg. It's a good one. Even if it's not quite right, it's still a good representation of the type, to fill the hole in the collection.

Yeah but you know how I am about fantasy guns lol. Maybe I'm starting to see things a little more like some of you do.  (jh It may not be historically correct but I kinda like the thing. :o

Holy smokes!! That's HUGE coming from you Hawg!

I agree, the fantasy gun thing doesn't interest me. But having a representation of a gun, even with a few caveats is better than not having one. Specially where the RM conversions are concerned.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Hawg on July 05, 2021, 08:25:41 PM
Hawger said "starting to see things .  .  .  more like some of you do .  .  . " "it may not be historically correct .  .  .  " !!!

What the HELL?!   


OK, HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HAWG lately??!!!!!! (*3

Mike

Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Captainkirk on July 05, 2021, 08:32:19 PM
Hawger said "starting to see things .  .  .  more like some of you do .  .  . " "it may not be historically correct .  .  .  " !!!

What the HELL?!   


OK, HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HAWG lately??!!!!!! (*3

Mike

Now Hawg, you know even Wild Bill finally put his Colt Navies away and moved on to cartridge guns. You're in good company.
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: Hawg on July 05, 2021, 08:51:23 PM
Hawger said "starting to see things .  .  .  more like some of you do .  .  . " "it may not be historically correct .  .  .  " !!!

What the HELL?!   


OK, HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM HAWG lately??!!!!!! (*3

Mike

Now Hawg, you know even Wild Bill finally put his Colt Navies away and moved on to cartridge guns. You're in good company.

Yeah but his were historically correct.  (7+" (7+" (7+"
Title: Re: Why are there no Pietta 1860 conversion cylinders available?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on July 05, 2021, 09:04:18 PM
 (7+".   (7+"

  I figured the mother ship mighta swooped in and pulled a switch-ur-rue!!! 8)


(" .  .  .  his were historically correct!". Lol  (perfect!! ))


Mike