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Black Powder Pistols => Walkers & Dragoons => Topic started by: Zulch on October 26, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
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Okay fellas, I'm looking to buy my first Dragoon. Since there is the Whitneyville, Model 1, Model 2 and Model 3, I am not certain which one to start with. I've read much on the forum and from other resources as well but I am still on the fence about what to buy. I was hoping some of you Dragoon lovers would help me out here. I want to hear your stories, see some cool photos of your iron's and why you might prefer one over the others. I've seen Shotgun Dave's Model 3 and think it's an awesome looking revolver. Since I can't talk him out of that one?? L@J
Thanks,
Tim
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You can't go wrong with any of them Tim. But for me, the 2nd and 3rd model are the ones to have for everyday shooting. They have the rectangular stop slots on the cylinder, with the approaches for the bolt to slide into. The older models have the oval stops and no approaches.
The 3rd model has all the other improvements too. Like the horizontal lever latch that works better. The difference between the square back and round trigger guards is just personal preference.
If I were choosing one based solely on looks, I'd get the Whitneyville. And indeed I will be getting one.
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I had a Uberti 3rd model but I sold it. I don't like the square back trigger guard of the 1st and 2nd models. Mine dropped the lever every other shot with anything over 40 grains. The latch was hard to use with sweaty hands.
(https://i.imgur.com/uxCvtYMl.png)
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Yep. Hawg is right. The older style vertical latch will drop the lever every time. You have to look at the 3rd models to make sure it has the later horizontal latch, because some of the early 3rd models have the older style.
Here's my early 3rd model with the early vertical latch. It dropped the lever every time. I traded it off earlier this year for a flintlock rifle.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51630332142_375c43ae0d_z.jpg)
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Yup. I have a first, and two seconds. All three drop the LL with more than 40 grains. I don't own a 3rd. I prefer the looks of the 2nd, but folks tell me the 3rd is the best of all of them. More knuckle clearance for sure. Not quite as heavy as a Walker, but damn close! Colt produced way more 3rds than 2nds or 1st models, and with repros it's the same story...sales of third models top all the others.
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You can't go wrong with any of them Tim. But for me, the 2nd and 3rd model are the ones to have for everyday shooting. They have the rectangular stop slots on the cylinder, with the approaches for the bolt to slide into. The older models have the oval stops and no approaches.
The 3rd model has all the other improvements too. Like the horizontal lever latch that works better. The difference between the square back and round trigger guards is just personal preference.
If I were choosing one based solely on looks, I'd get the Whitneyville. And indeed I will be getting one.
Okay Dave, So the 2d or 3d in your opinion are better for just plain everyday shooting. That sound appealing. I guess Colt worked out the kinks along the way in production. That's good information Dave. Thank you. Tim
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3rd will probably be the most trouble-free, and most likely available. I always had a jones for a second, so went with that. Love the SB trigger guard. Someday I might pick up a 3rd and Whitneyville just to complete the "grand slam"...
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I had a Uberti 3rd model but I sold it. I don't like the square back trigger guard of the 1st and 2nd models. Mine dropped the lever every other shot with anything over 40 grains. The latch was hard to use with sweaty hands.
(https://i.imgur.com/uxCvtYMl.png)
Hawg, Thanks for posting that picture!! You still have those I see. Nice :001_smile: Do you think Uberti is now selling the Model 3 with the horizontal lever? That sounds like a plus based on Dave's picture he posted with the lever falling downward while firing. Certainly something good to consider in making my choice.
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Yup. I have a first, and two seconds. All three drop the LL with more than 40 grains. I don't own a 3rd. I prefer the looks of the 2nd, but folks tell me the 3rd is the best of all of them. More knuckle clearance for sure. Not quite as heavy as a Walker, but damn close! Colt produced way more 3rds than 2nds or 1st models, and with repros it's the same story...sales of third models top all the others.
So, if and when, they become available it sounds like ya gotta jump quick to get one. Thanks Cap.
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Yup. I have a first, and two seconds. All three drop the LL with more than 40 grains. I don't own a 3rd. I prefer the looks of the 2nd, but folks tell me the 3rd is the best of all of them. More knuckle clearance for sure. Not quite as heavy as a Walker, but damn close! Colt produced way more 3rds than 2nds or 1st models, and with repros it's the same story...sales of third models top all the others.
So, if and when, they become available it sounds like ya gotta jump quick to get one. Thanks Cap.
Watch Midway. Often they have them for surprisingly low prices.
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yes, you know i do, some believe that I have stock with that company L@J (7&
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yes, you know i do, some believe that I have stock with that company L@J (7&
How do we know you're not Larry Potterfield? :icon_scratch:
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yes, you know i do, some believe that I have stock with that company L@J (7&
How do we know you're not Larry Potterfield? :icon_scratch:
You don't (7& (7+"
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I had a Uberti 3rd model but I sold it. I don't like the square back trigger guard of the 1st and 2nd models. Mine dropped the lever every other shot with anything over 40 grains. The latch was hard to use with sweaty hands.
(https://i.imgur.com/uxCvtYMl.png)
Hawg, Thanks for posting that picture!! You still have those I see. Nice :001_smile: Do you think Uberti is now selling the Model 3 with the horizontal lever? That sounds like a plus based on Dave's picture he posted with the lever falling downward while firing. Certainly something good to consider in making my choice.
I still have the navy. I sold the dragoon. I think all the Uberti 3rd models have the horizontal latch now. Mine was made in 2013.
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You can't go wrong with any of them Tim. But for me, the 2nd and 3rd model are the ones to have for everyday shooting. They have the rectangular stop slots on the cylinder, with the approaches for the bolt to slide into. The older models have the oval stops and no approaches.
The 3rd model has all the other improvements too. Like the horizontal lever latch that works better. The difference between the square back and round trigger guards is just personal preference.
If I were choosing one based solely on looks, I'd get the Whitneyville. And indeed I will be getting one.
Okay Dave, So the 2d or 3d in your opinion are better for just plain everyday shooting. That sound appealing. I guess Colt worked out the kinks along the way in production. That's good information Dave. Thank you. Tim
That's correct Tim. With each successive model, they made it a little bit better. Culminating with the 3rd model.
You can't go wrong with either. It really just comes down to wether you want the square back or round trigger guard. The latch problem is easily overcome with a little judicious file work on the latch. And if that doesn't work, a rubber band will hold it up while you shoot. Or, you can just get in the habit of slapping it back into place before cocking the hammer for the next shot. It's all part of the charm.
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Probably the the Whitneyville today!! Lol
Mike
Well, needs to rotate 90 but that's her!! Lol
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Probably the the Whitneyville today!! Lol
Mike
Well, needs to rotate 90 but that's her!! Lol
Dang Mike… wow!!! She’s a beauty!!! Thank you for posting that one. I’m speechless… f(*& Tim
I rotated it for you😊👍
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Holy (l_ Mike! That is a work of art!
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Thanks guys! She's a thumper!! Lol
Mike
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Hommina, hommina, hommina... :handgun:
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Hommina, hommina, hommina... :handgun:
Okay Ralph...steady now. (7+"
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yes, you know i do, some believe that I have stock with that company L@J (7&
How do we know you're not Larry Potterfield? :icon_scratch:
Have you ever seen the two of them at the same time?
Kevin
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yes, you know i do, some believe that I have stock with that company L@J (7&
How do we know you're not Larry Potterfield? :icon_scratch:
Have you ever seen the two of them at the same time?
Kevin
:icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:
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I’ve got two Armi San Marco #2 Dragoons. I wouldn’t trade or sell either one. There are some differences with these from the current Uberti products. The Uberti are probably better made. The ram latch on theASM is he later Colt model rather than the rocker latch. He ASM grip base slopes upward The parts are not interchangeable They shoot very well.
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After seeing these two dragoons I may have to get one myself.
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These and all Colt Dragoons will handle 50 grains of ff or fff black. I’ve used pyrodex 30 gr pellets in on for good effect. I usually use wonder wad between the powder and a .454 ball. With 40 grains of powder. .35 will make a milder load. The weight of the dragoon is 4lb and2 oz. The 30 or 35 grain load has very mild recoil, but a nice booming voice.
You can find the ASM Dragoons for sale on GB for less than the Uberti models.
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Nice brace of Dragoons Rick.
I have to agree with you. My ASM Dragoon is my best gun. Specially now that it's been Goonerized.
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They all look good but I think I would get the 3rd model because of the latest updates that it has
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Nice brace of Dragoons Rick.
I have to agree with you. My ASM Dragoon is my best gun. Specially now that it's been Goonerized.
Dave, so your model 3 Dragon is an ASM? 🤔 🤔 hmmmmmm. 😉
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Nice brace of Dragoons Rick.
I have to agree with you. My ASM Dragoon is my best gun. Specially now that it's been Goonerized.
Dave, so your model 3 Dragon is an ASM? 🤔 🤔 hmmmmmm. 😉
Indeed it is. 1972 manufacture.
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Uberti must have simplified the tooling run during the pandemic, because my 2021 3rd Model has the vertical latch engagement and 3-screw frame. The only difference between it and a 2nd Model is the triggerguard-- nothing more.
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DL. So yours has the vertically oriented loading lever it sounds? Thanks for posting that. I’ll bet even any newer ones will be the same. Thanks, Tim
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It's hit and miss with the loading lever latch. I had a 3rd Model with the vertical type, and it was a newer gun. I also have a 3rd Model made in 1972 and it has the horizontal type. I've seen both types on the 3rd Model all over the place. Seems like luck of the draw if you buy a new one.
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It's hit and miss with the loading lever latch. I had a 3rd Model with the vertical type, and it was a newer gun. I also have a 3rd Model made in 1972 and it has the horizontal type. I've seen both types on the 3rd Model all over the place. Seems like luck of the draw if you buy a new one.
I wonder why that is. I had a 3rd model made in 2013 with the vertical.
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It's hit and miss with the loading lever latch. I had a 3rd Model with the vertical type, and it was a newer gun. I also have a 3rd Model made in 1972 and it has the horizontal type. I've seen both types on the 3rd Model all over the place. Seems like luck of the draw if you buy a new one.
I wonder why that is. I had a 3rd model made in 2013 with the vertical.
Good question Hawg. Maybe like Sam Colt hisself, they don't want to waste any parts. And maybe they have a bunch of the vertical type laying around, so they mix them in. Just a theory of course.
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It's hit and miss with the loading lever latch. I had a 3rd Model with the vertical type, and it was a newer gun. I also have a 3rd Model made in 1972 and it has the horizontal type. I've seen both types on the 3rd Model all over the place. Seems like luck of the draw if you buy a new one.
I wonder why that is. I had a 3rd model made in 2013 with the vertical.
Good question Hawg. Maybe like Sam Colt hisself, they don't want to waste any parts. And maybe they have a bunch of the vertical type laying around, so they mix them in. Just a theory of course.
Well, Uberti has made and sold a lot more 3rds, I reckon. That used the vertical latch. Probably overstock.
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It's hit and miss with the loading lever latch. I had a 3rd Model with the vertical type, and it was a newer gun. I also have a 3rd Model made in 1972 and it has the horizontal type. I've seen both types on the 3rd Model all over the place. Seems like luck of the draw if you buy a new one.
Well, Uberti has made and sold a lot more 3rds, I reckon. That used the vertical latch. Probably overstock.
I wonder why that is. I had a 3rd model made in 2013 with the vertical.
Good question Hawg. Maybe like Sam Colt hisself, they don't want to waste any parts. And maybe they have a bunch of the vertical type laying around, so they mix them in. Just a theory of course.
I had to hunt for that answer. :P
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I had to hunt for that answer. :P
You must be a good hunter...I wrote it and took me a while!
Fixed it.
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Okay fella's. Happy New Year to everyone on CC!! I've recently purchased two Dragoon's. One, a Model 2, 1968 Replica Arms, Marietta, OH ASM and the other, a Model 3, 1989 ASM. I should be receiving them shortly. I will post pictures in a New thread for those interested in seeing the Dragoons. I purchased them on Gun Broker. I'm tickled pink!! Santa did not bring them so I had to cough up the funds myself. Did Santa bring any of you fellas some treasures? If so let us know so we can all share in your joy.
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Not exactly a gift from Santa but I won a cheap Mora knife on TFF. (7&
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Not exactly a gift from Santa but I won a cheap Mora knife on TFF. (7&
Let us see it when you can post a picture. Love to see it Hawg.
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I haven't got it yet.
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Well hurry up already??!! (7+" Roger that Hawg. When ya git er hang her up.
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I must have been on the naughty list this year. Santa didn't bring me squat. But I too just purchased a couple of special guns, one in particular. I'll be posting them in their own threads shortly as well.
You'll have to wait until then to see what I got!
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Secret huh? Can’t wait t see them!!
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I must be on the same list Dave.....I got squat but some more bills to pay. I bought a part for the El Camino well before, but just put it on around Christmas, so I guess I'm gonna count that. (7& ......and I did buy a bunch of cigars earlier too......have 200-300 or so in the humidor. I don't wanna run out. Have everything from bottom shelf stuff to very top shelf. Can't go about my day unless I have my cigar and coffee in the morning!
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Secret huh? Can’t wait t see them!!
Not necessarily a secret. Just want it to be a surprise.
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Santa? Pfft..."You'll shoot yer eye out, kid!"
I don't count on the Jolly Fat Man to bring me anything. Just go on an' get it myself.
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This thread is really thorough. I had a friend ask me about which Dragoon is the best for him to consider so I sent him a link to this thread. It'll give him all the information he needs. Maybe we'll pick up another forum member in the deal. Great information, pards.
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This thread is really thorough. I had a friend ask me about which Dragoon is the best for him to consider so I sent him a link to this thread. It'll give him all the information he needs. Maybe we'll pick up another forum member in the deal. Great information, pards.
Excellent work my friend!!!
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My only Dragoon experience is with the two I have. Both are ASM #2 Dragoons but have the later Colt leaver latch. The grip angle is sloped upward. They shoot good. They have an authoritative voice.
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Very Nice Rick!! I am getting my second Dragoon in the mail today. 1968 Replica Arms ASM model with the horizontal loading lever latch. I will post pictures most likely this weekend. I now have a Model 2 and Model 3 ASM. I can't wait to shoot them. Yeehaw!! I will of course, in the near future, talk with Mike (GoonsGunWorks) to get these babies in fine working order. Thanks for showing us your Dragoon's Rick BAM!!
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The bottom gun is my ASM 3rd Model with shoulder stock cutouts and 3 leaf rear sight. It's not much to look at, but it's a real beauty inside. It's been completely worked over my Mike, and is fully Goonerized.
The middle gun is my Uberti Whitneyville. I prefer the way it feels and handles because of the grip. It has the same handle as the Walker above it. And for me, the Walker has the best grip of them all.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51803790108_2bc607c5b3_z.jpg)
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Thanks Dave. I like seeing your irons. I will post pics this weekend. My second is due in the mail today.
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For all who have contributed to this thread much thanks. It was helpful for me In making decisions on what to buy for myself👍👍 please keep posting if so inclined 😁👍
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My apologies!
I have posted photos and descriptions of my Dragoons twice on this thread. I only have 2 not 4 such Colt replicas.
Dragoon
Rick
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My apologies!
I have posted photos and descriptions of my Dragoons twice on this thread. I only have 2 not 4 such Colt replicas.
Dragoon
Rick
No apology necessary Rick. Good to see them a second time.
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Thanks
Rick