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Long Guns => Scatterguns => Topic started by: Hawg on April 13, 2023, 01:21:08 PM
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SHEESH!!! I had a whole post typed out and tried to use the forum software to post pics but instead of posting it deleted the entire post. I had to upload the pics to Imgur. I have a hard time getting good full length pics on my phone. I tried a lot of places and this is the best I could come up with. I guess I need to try to find my old camera even if it is only 10 pixels and hope it still works. Anyway it's an Ancion 12 gauge made sometime before 1866. It's had some repairs and is missing the front ramrod thimble. The flat checkering is still in good shape. I think the ramrod is original but if it isn't at least the tip is. I really like the ornate carving on the wrist. The barrel rib is engraved and the name is hidden in the engraving. I don't know how long I had it before I found it. It says Ancion & Co. Liege.
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That thing is really cool, Hawg. I love those old hammer doubles. This one looks like a beauty.
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beautiful!
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Hawg!!?? You been holdin' out??!! :no_no: (7+" Man that is awesome. Do you have anymore details on that gun that you could share? I would love to shoot that one..Thanks for sharing!! Tell us more if you can? Where did you get that one?
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Not much more to tell. Ancion made guns from IIRC 1836 until 1866. The name changed to J. Ancion & CIE in 1866. That's how I know it was made before 1866. I got it from my gunsmith back in the 90's. He was a master gun builder that only worked on bolt action rifles. I don't remember how I found him but I was looking for somebody to do the work on a 98 Mauser I was building. I'd go up there on weekends a lot of times just to talk guns and look at his stuff. He had it sitting in a rack with about 50 other guns and he said he took it for a debt somebody owed him. I asked if he wanted to sell it but he just smiled and shook his head. The first time I went there he had this big full blooded female wolf and she came out of the shop. Man she looked mean. She looked like she'd just as soon rip your arm off as look at you. He just said don't mess with her and she won't bother you but she came right up to me and started sniffing me. I'm not scared of dogs I don't know but she did make me a little nervous but I slowly reached down and started scratching her ears. He couldn't believe it. He said she wont let anybody but me touch her. I guess he took a liking to me because of that. Later we were in the shop looking at some parts he had when it sounded like two cars hit in the parking lot. We went to the door and she had jumped up in the bed of my truck with the tailgate closed. He said she don't do that you must have something back there she wants. I said no, there's nothing in there. I think he saw me as a potential customer but I think that wolf helped me get one of the best friends I ever had. He gave me that shotgun before he died. Sorry for the trip down memory lane. I didn't intend to. That old gun is one of my most prized possessions. I don't shoot it much anymore because it's special and I don't want anything to happen to it but I do take it out for a few shots every now and then.
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Good story Hawg, and beautiful old hammer muzzle-loader.
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Thanks for sharing that great story with us. It really gives that shotgun meaning.
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Nice gun, nice story. Thanks
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Not much more to tell. Ancion made guns from IIRC 1836 until 1866. The name changed to J. Ancion & CIE in 1866. That's how I know it was made before 1866. I got it from my gunsmith back in the 90's. He was a master gun builder that only worked on bolt action rifles. I don't remember how I found him but I was looking for somebody to do the work on a 98 Mauser I was building. I'd go up there on weekends a lot of times just to talk guns and look at his stuff. He had it sitting in a rack with about 50 other guns and he said he took it for a debt somebody owed him. I asked if he wanted to sell it but he just smiled and shook his head. The first time I went there he had this big full blooded female wolf and she came out of the shop. Man she looked mean. She looked like she'd just as soon rip your arm off as look at you. He just said don't mess with her and she won't bother you but she came right up to me and started sniffing me. I'm not scared of dogs I don't know but she did make me a little nervous but I slowly reached down and started scratching her ears. He couldn't believe it. He said she wont let anybody but me touch her. I guess he took a liking to me because of that. Later we were in the shop looking at some parts he had when it sounded like two cars hit in the parking lot. We went to the door and she had jumped up in the bed of my truck with the tailgate closed. He said she don't do that you must have something back there she wants. I said no, there's nothing in there. I think he saw me as a potential customer but I think that wolf helped me get one of the best friends I ever had. He gave me that shotgun before he died. Sorry for the trip down memory lane. I didn't intend to. That old gun is one of my most prized possessions. I don't shoot it much anymore because it's special and I don't want anything to happen to it but I do take it out for a few shots every now and then.
Thanks Hawg, I like trips down memory lane myself and also enjoy hearing of others trips as well. He had a wolf? That is very interesting! I assume this was in the MS area? Sounds like the wolf and the gunsmith took a liking to you. :cowboypistol: Dang good story Hawg. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks Hawg, I like trips down memory lane myself and also enjoy hearing of others trips as well. He had a wolf? That is very interesting! I assume this was in the MS area? Sounds like the wolf and the gunsmith took a liking to you. :cowboypistol: Dang good story Hawg. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah a full blood wolf in Columbus, MS. Yeah we got to be friends pretty quick but that didn't mean he cut me any slack. I still had to pay full price and since he was a master builder he wasn't cheap. I did get some stuff I wouldn't have gotten otherwise tho. That Mauser wears an Obermeyer barrel. Deer hunting with it is almost cheating. He's the one that got me into long range target shooting. He had one of my rifles when he died and his son in law came in and cleaned everything out. Thankfully I wasn't but about 300.00 into it.
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Love the dog story, never get tired of good dogs. I recently came across a Hopkins & Allen hammer double in 12ga. One of those closet finds that changed hands until someone really wanted it--ME! I had to put about $400 into it to tighten things up but the gunsmith said it was called a Model 100 which he had yet to come across. I love old hammer doubles and now the gun is back in good shooting order.
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Love the dog story, never get tired of good dogs. I recently came across a Hopkins & Allen hammer double in 12ga. One of those closet finds that changed hands until someone really wanted it--ME! I had to put about $400 into it to tighten things up but the gunsmith said it was called a Model 100 which he had yet to come across. I love old hammer doubles and now the gun is back in good shooting order.
Pics?
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Love the dog story, never get tired of good dogs. I recently came across a Hopkins & Allen hammer double in 12ga. One of those closet finds that changed hands until someone really wanted it--ME! I had to put about $400 into it to tighten things up but the gunsmith said it was called a Model 100 which he had yet to come across. I love old hammer doubles and now the gun is back in good shooting order.
Pics?
What he said ^^^^^ we like pics. :cowboypistol:
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Fantastic story, Hawg! That's the kinda stuff I love...the personal side of old guns and the history and personal relationship of the individual telling the story! I can tell that's one you'd never part with.
As for the gun itself, love it! what a treasure!
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That's a beautiful SxS Hawg. And the story behind it makes it even better. I love hearing this kind of stuff.
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Thanks guys I appreciate it.
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Thanks guys I appreciate it.
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Love a gun with a story! Just awesome Hawg......
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Hawg, about guns and cuddling with wolves, were you considered for Dancing with Wolves? Just wondering.
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Hawg, about guns and cuddling with wolves, were you considered for Dancing with Wolves? Just wondering.
Nah, they said I was too fat and lazy and that I just wanted to make out with Mary McDonnell. (7+"
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Hawg!!?? You been holdin' out??!!
You have no idea. (7+" (7+" (7+"
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Here are the pictures (I hope) of the Hopkins & Allen Model 100. It was in nice enough shape that I had to fix it. The gunsmith(Winters Gun Specialists) is an old time 3rd Gen gunsmith. Going to his shop is always an adventure. In the display case amongst various treasures is a Volcanic pistol, a few original 66 Winchesters, a wall of nice Parker shotguns, etc. Only The Lord knows what's in that back workshop. My last visit to drop off the Hopkins & Allen he let me handle a 1st Gen. 1880s Colt SAA 7 1/2"( don't remember caliber) that was unfired and the cylinder unturned! All this stuff has been in the family since Grandad started a hundred years ago.
I'm just learning about posting these pictures(actually my wife did it) so will do better in the future.
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That looks like a nice one. I can see why you didn't mind spending money on it.
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That's a beautiful one, N6. It does deserve your fixing. Thanks for the photos.
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Navy Six. WOW! That is a nice lookin' gun. Thank you for posting. Do you ever shoot it?
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Navy Six. WOW! That is a nice lookin' gun. Thank you for posting. Do you ever shoot it?
You bet it gets shot, its already done duty at two Cowboy matches. Black powder of course. I was not sure I made this decision correctly, but the gunsmith claimed the chambers were real close to 2 3/4" and he finished reaming them to that standard size. I had no idea how the gun was utilized in the past, but the 'smith said the barrels were sound and there was virtually no pitting. I still beat myself up a little on that decision, but the guy I got it from had already fired modern 2 3/4" smokeless shells a few times. I know there is a debate about pressure spikes firing a 2 3/4" shell in a shorter chamber, so I erred on the side of caution. I hope Hopkins & Allen will forgive me, but at least the gun is now tight as a drum and being well taken care of.
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I don't recommend it but I fired a ton of 2 3/4 smokeless out of short chambered Damascus barrels when I was a kid. I even accidently fired a 3 inch magnum out of my 2 5/8 chambered 1887 Winchester.
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When I was a kid, I had an old engraved L. D. Parker hammer double with Damascus barrels. Those barrels were flawless but I still shot only low base shells in it anyway. Never had any issues then but today I wouldn't do that for fear the Damascus might have some unseen corrosion waiting to let go.
This is the same model with the same pheasant scene on it but not mine. I found this photo online.
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I've got an old W Parker muzzleloader or at least part of it. I think I left the barrels and stock at the old house. It was in terrible shape when I got it and the only reason I got it was for the hammers. The solder holding the barrel ribs was rotten and when I took the barrels off the whole thing fell apart. The wood was all dry rotted and cracked. I've got the locks and trigger guard etc. in a box somewhere.
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