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Black Powder Pistols => Army Models => Topic started by: ssb73q on August 10, 2023, 07:37:21 AM
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Hi, Mike has a new video on the 2023 Uberti 1860 Army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qsFrKgsNI
While Mike is ga ga about the Uberti Quality, there are a few comments suggesting otherwise.
Still a short arbor?
Regards,
Richard
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Good’ol Beliveau. Fun vid. Thanks ssb.
No mention of cylinder gap / end shake. I don’t think Mike believes in short Uberti arbors.
Getting used to a brass back strap on an 1860 would require more energy than I’d care to invest. Unless it were a blow-out bargain or an outright gift that brass would kill the deal for
me.
For a total less than a pack of California Camels I got a set of those star cappers from Mesa Winds. They work good.
Did Beliveau mention how much powder he was using in those carts?
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Just watched the full video on Rumble. I wonder why Uberti decided to offer the brass backstrap as an option. After looking at it for a while I started to like it.
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I thought it was just Pietta that rewrote history. Maybe it’s a Latin thing and I wouldn’t understand.
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I watched 5 or 6 minutes of it. My opinion of Uberti just dropped a notch, not that it means anything. Early on Uberti made some brass frame navy .44's but then they wizened up and quit making them. Since then they've stayed pretty true to the original design except for Remingtons with adjustable sights and of course the notorious short arbor. I doubt they will ever fix that. They see it as an improvement. I guess they're starting to lose sight of the originality.
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Some of the very early original 1860s came with the Navy grip(and I believe a 7 1/2" barrel). I don't recall if those early Navy grips were brass. I wish Colt would have kept them that way as I find the 61 Navy more a natural pointer.
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Fewer than 100 1860's came with navy grips and the backstrap was brass. However it was a fairly popular mod back in the day to put navy grips on 1860's.
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After seeing the groin shots, a guy kinda feels for Little Roy.
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... I guess they're starting to lose sight of the originality.
Hawg,
In my opinion they started down that path when they redesigned the frames to accept the 45 long Colt cartridge to accommodate the Cowboy shooters who could not be bothered to load an authentic cartridge in their conversion pieces. Once the had the bigger frame for the cartridge pieces, they used it in the percussion revolvers as well to streamline manufacture. It is a vastly different feel in the hand and not a pleasant one. Especially if you have any experience with the original pieces.
Kevin
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It's been a long time since I held an original percussion Colt but I don't think they made the frames bigger to accept .45 Colt cartridges. They've always been a little bigger than originals but not as big as Pietta's.
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It's been a long time since I held an original percussion Colt but I don't think they made the frames bigger to accept .45 Colt cartridges. They've always been a little bigger than originals but not as big as Pietta's.
Kevin's talking about the "factory" conversions. The arbor is centered further from the frame water table to accommodate a larger diameter cylinder that will hold 6 cartridges instead of 5 like the cylinders from Kirst/Howell.
The barrels/ cylinders don't "intermingle" with the cap guns.
Mike
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It's been a long time since I held an original percussion Colt but I don't think they made the frames bigger to accept .45 Colt cartridges. They've always been a little bigger than originals but not as big as Pietta's.
Kevin's talking about the "factory" conversions. The arbor is centered further from the frame water table to accommodate a larger diameter cylinder that will hold 6 cartridges instead of 5 like the cylinders from Kirst/Howell.
The barrels/ cylinders don't "intermingle" with the cap guns.
Mike
He said they used the bigger frames for the newer cap guns.
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It's been a long time since I held an original percussion Colt but I don't think they made the frames bigger to accept .45 Colt cartridges. They've always been a little bigger than originals but not as big as Pietta's.
Kevin's talking about the "factory" conversions. The arbor is centered further from the frame water table to accommodate a larger diameter cylinder that will hold 6 cartridges instead of 5 like the cylinders from Kirst/Howell.
The barrels/ cylinders don't "intermingle" with the cap guns.
Mike
He said they used the bigger frames for the newer cap guns.
Correct. One size fits all. The same frame is used for the Uberti conversions as the Uberti percussion revolvers. Can’t inconvenience those Cowboy shooters with historical fact.
I have a pair of Uberti 1861 Improved Navies from the very early 1970s. I also have a pair from the late 1990s or early 2000s. The difference in the frame size is noticeable.
The early Uberties, Gregorelli & Uberti, and ASM more perfectly replicated the original Colt size revolvers.
Kevin
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I haven't noticed any difference between my Pietta navy and my Uberti Richards Mason made IIRC 2021. Now I'll have to check. Of course Pietta is bigger than Uberti to start with.
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Hmmmm . . . I'll have to see what's in the shop . . . I just sent back a pair of '72's in 45C. I have a pair of RM .38's from Tame Bill, I'll do a comparison of them and my own Uberti '60s tomorrow.
Mike
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I want to see this...
I know the Pietta Remington Navy is built on the same frame and cylinder as the Army. They just bored smaller holes in the cylinder and added a shorter barrel. It's heavy, ungainly, and useless. If you're going full size frame, just get a .44. Compare it to the original Remington Navy and it almost looks comical in comparison.
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Welp, the Pietta Remington .36 is heavy, unhistoric
and ungainly (compared to a ‘51) but I’m not so sure as to the useless part. Pretty much a .36 magnum and it has certain useful aspects. For a target gun heavy can be good. Every time I pick mine up I think of what a nice .44 it would have made with that 6.5” barrel and steel frame. Well proportioned too, yet unhistoric - but still, it sho am a shooter.
You have one of those in brass, don’t you Captain? One of your family members was using it, I recall.
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Close, G. But no cigar... (7&
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But you get bonus points for your sharp memory!!! :usa-flag-89:
My son has my old Navy Remington in .36, but it's steel, not brass. And it's also a Lyman (DGG) which makes it a San Paolo. IIRC the date code was early 70's. It's indeed smaller than the Pietta, but not as small as the original Remmy Navy, which is more on par with a Colt Pocket size and weight-wise.