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Title: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Shootemup on September 27, 2023, 10:25:36 AM
Anyone have any idea on who made this and why they would have done it in a 38 rimfire instead of 38 centerfire ?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1007897207
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Hawg on September 27, 2023, 10:41:09 AM
It's not a Thuer, it's a Richards. The Thuer loaded from the front like a paper cartridge.

Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Shootemup on September 27, 2023, 10:50:39 AM
I agree Hawg but they made the conversion ring look like a Thuer ring look at pictures 57 and 58 plus they made it rimfire look at the position of the firing pin in picture 58
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Hawg on September 27, 2023, 11:24:06 AM
That is a strange dog indeed. I didn't look at all the pics before. I found an auction for one back in July that sold for 750.00. I guess the rimfire version is mainly for display and the cap and ball version is for shooting.

Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Bishop Creek on September 27, 2023, 12:18:33 PM
I wonder if that is one of Gary Barnes Thuer conversion rings on that Colt Navy.
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: mike116 on September 27, 2023, 12:48:21 PM
I wonder if that is one of Gary Barnes Thuer conversion rings on that Colt Navy.

It is not one of Gary's conversions.  I own two of Gary's Thuer conversions and this is similar but not the same.
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: StrawHat on September 27, 2023, 07:54:50 PM
Not a Richards either.  They were central fire.  Similar but no rear sight on the conversion ring, and a few other details.  Just a gunsmith conversion.  Well done. 

Kevin
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Hawg on September 27, 2023, 08:39:48 PM
Not a Richards either.  They were central fire.  Similar but no rear sight on the conversion ring, and a few other details.  Just a gunsmith conversion.  Well done. 

Kevin

Go look at all the pics.
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: StrawHat on September 28, 2023, 06:10:06 PM
Not a Richards either.  They were central fire.  Similar but no rear sight on the conversion ring, and a few other details.  Just a gunsmith conversion.  Well done. 

Kevin

Go look at all the pics.

I did.  What am I not seeing? 

Kevin
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Hawg on September 28, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
This would be a lot more expensive to do than a regular conversion and there's more than one.

Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Marshal Will on September 29, 2023, 07:06:18 AM
That ring looks to be a safety by rotating the firing pin off the cartridge rim so it won't fire. I'd expect that is so one could load and carry 6 rounds safely all the time.
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: mike116 on September 29, 2023, 09:51:03 AM
That ring looks to be a safety by rotating the firing pin off the cartridge rim so it won't fire. I'd expect that is so one could load and carry 6 rounds safely all the time.

It is a safety ring that rotates,   Have a look here, https://coltcountryforum.com/index.php/topic,2489.0.html

I believe Gary Barnes now holds a patent on the Thuer conversion ring he sells. 
Title: Re: Thuer style 38 rimfire
Post by: Marshal Will on September 29, 2023, 09:59:01 AM
That ring looks to be a safety by rotating the firing pin off the cartridge rim so it won't fire. I'd expect that is so one could load and carry 6 rounds safely all the time.

It is a safety ring that rotates,   Have a look here, https://coltcountryforum.com/index.php/topic,2489.0.html

I believe Gary Barnes now holds a patent on the Thuer conversion ring he sells.
That's very similar. It would be ideal if it could be rotated to a third position with a loading port in it. Of course, then it would cause issues if cocked with the muzzle pointing up. Maybe it's better as it is with either one.