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General Black Powder => At The Range! => Topic started by: mike116 on March 06, 2024, 06:13:46 PM
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A beautiful Rocky Mountain morning made me want to go shoot a few rounds today. I took off about 11:00am after throwing my shooting bag and 3 revolvers in the truck. It's still early for Spring to begin around here but it sure felt like Spring today.
I shot my Dragoon first, always fun and reliable. Then I moved on to an 1851 Navy that I bought from a member here. I hadn't fired it before so it was new to me. What a pain in the ass neck. The nipples are some odd size... I tried every size made and none fit. They all fell off no matter what. I couldn't make them stay put even by pinching them. Every shot the fired cap and 2 or 3 unfired caps fell off. The cylinder jammed nearly every time I pulled the trigger. It was a lot of work to get 3 cylinders fired through it. New nipples will be installed when cleaning it tonight.
The third gun I took along today was the Colt SAA made by Hammerli. This thing is a dream to shoot.
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What a great way to start the day! Are you gonna try aftermarket nipples on the Navy? I sure would.
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What a great way to start the day! Are you gonna try aftermarket nipples on the Navy? I sure would.
I think I already have a spare set here somewhere. Tresso I believe. I'll have to search tomorrow. I just finished cleaning all the guns and removed the nipples from the '51. The cones are almost straight, not cone shaped at all.
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That's not a navy. It's a Leech & Rigdon with a navy cylinder. I'm guessing it was made in the early 70's. There were some of those made during the time period. If #10 caps fall off then the nipples are made for #9 caps. I haven't seen any of those since about 74 or 75. You can pinch fit #10's or even #11's.
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Thanks for the report, Mike.
Very nice pictures.
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That's not a navy. It's a Leech & Rigdon with a navy cylinder. I'm guessing it was made in the early 70's. There were some of those made during the time period. If #10 caps fall off then the nipples are made for #9 caps. I haven't seen any of those since about 74 or 75. You can pinch fit #10's or even #11's.
Hawg, the 2nd pic is the '51 Navy. It has an octagon barrel and the proper cylinder for a '51' Date code of AZ so made in 1990. The first pic is a 2nd model Dragoon.
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Well D'OH.
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Hey Mike. Looks like a good day except for the Navy cones? Noticed that neat capper in the Dragoon picture. Do you load cylinders on the bench sometimes or? Glad you took time to go shoot.
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Tim, I only load on the gun unless there is no other way. I have .36 & .44 cylinder loading stands but I don't use them much. The orange star capper in the pic is 3D printed by Polish Cappers. It works well, he sent it to me when I ordered a new screw for one of my Polish cappers. I lost the knurled screw that holds the lid shut.
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It still sounds like #9 nipples but I don't understand why it would have #9's since #9 caps haven't been made since the 70's.
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Who knows.... it was a used gun. Sold at least twice. Appeared unmolested when I got it but there was no box or anything. I found a spare set of Stainless Steel nipples so I installed them this morning. #11 Remington caps fit just right. I'll try it out next week.
I tried every cap size and brand I have, six different ones and all of them fall off. The cones are just too small.
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Took the '51 Navy with new nipples out today. Loaded each chamber and capped every nipple with a #11 cap. Pulled the trigger and nothing happened. Nothing, Zilch, Nada, on all six chambers. Went around again and still not a single cap fired. Hammer doesn't reach the new nipples. Now I have a loaded cylinder. It will wait while I order some nipples from Tresso. I should have done that in the first place.
Meanwhile I shot a few rounds through the '61 Navy and my 1860 Henry rifle. The Henry in 44-40 is fun to shoot but you have to remember to do the "Henry Shuffle". I forgot and when the follower banged my hand it made me flinch.
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Too bad the new nipples didn't work as planned on your '51. What kind were they?
That '61 is a beautiful one. The Henry is no slouch, either. Glad to hear it was a good day. Yeah, those followers will getcha.
Here's an interesting solution to that for those who like to make doo-dads. (https://rvbprecision.com/shooting/1860-henry-spring-loaded-magazine-follower.html)
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Mike. Sorry to hear that. I was under the impression that all cones would be the same length(??) across the board but apparently not? :icon_scratch: The revolver is very nice and the fluted cylinder looks great on it.
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The replacement nipples I installed were some I ordered from DD4lifeUSMC several years ago. Capt. Kirk, Hawg, Len and a few others here remember him. He was a seller of BP supplies and a friend of mine. The nipples were from Butler Creek Muzzle Loading. The package description said 6 x.75 Stainless Steel Nipple. They should have worked but nothing is ever guaranteed.
Marshal, I have seen people put a wood dowel in the magazine tube to keep the follower away from your hand. First time I've heard of someone going to the trouble of machining an aluminum follower.
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The replacement nipples I installed were some I ordered from DD4lifeUSMC several years ago. Capt. Kirk, Hawg, Len and a few others here remember him. He was a seller of BP supplies and a friend of mine. The nipples were from Butler Creek Muzzle Loading. The package description said 6 x.75 Stainless Steel Nipple. They should have worked but nothing is ever guaranteed.
Marshal, I have seen people put a wood dowel in the magazine tube to keep the follower away from your hand. First time I've heard of someone going to the trouble of machining an aluminum follower.
Yeah, that aluminum follower does look like it's overkill. A wooden dowel with a pin to keep it from going into the lifter would work as well.
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FWIW Slix Shot replacement nipples tend to be a tad longer than stock.
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FWIW Slix Shot replacement nipples tend to be a tad longer than stock.
Yes, I've experienced that in the past. I am hoping to find long enough nipples that take Remington #11 caps. It looks like several vendors are sold out.
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FWIW Slix Shot replacement nipples tend to be a tad longer than stock.
Thanks Navy Six. I did not realize there were different variations of overall lengths from cones to cones.
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The replacement nipples I installed were some I ordered from DD4lifeUSMC several years ago. Capt. Kirk, Hawg, Len and a few others here remember him. He was a seller of BP supplies and a friend of mine.
I remember DD44life quite well. I bought quite a few muzzle loading supplies from him. He was a gentleman and worked to keep his presence online private.
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The replacement nipples I installed were some I ordered from DD4lifeUSMC several years ago. Capt. Kirk, Hawg, Len and a few others here remember him. He was a seller of BP supplies and a friend of mine.
I remember DD44life quite well. I bought quite a few muzzle loading supplies from him. He was a gentleman and worked to keep his presence online private.
Yep, he's probably lookin down laughing that he still is giving me a hard time from beyond the grave.
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I remember DD well. He was a good and kind man. He gave me a gun and some other stuff and I bought a gun and some other stuff from him.
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Mike, another option may be CCI #11 caps. Yes I know they aren't the preferred Remingtons. However, CCI always used more priming compound (compared to Remington)which made the cap sit a bit higher on the cone. That might be enough to take up the slack. At least up till the covid issues hit that's how they were made. BTW, those were funny looking cones on the Navy. Hard for me to tell from a picture, but I've never run across straight sided cones as you described. At least not on any revolver.
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I dislike Remington caps and always use CCI unless I just can't find any. CCI fit stock nipples tighter and have to be pressed on harder. Sometimes after firing they don't come apart and get practically welded to the nipple and it will take a pocket knife to get them off.
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Mike, another option may be CCI #11 caps. Yes I know they aren't the preferred Remingtons. However, CCI always used more priming compound (compared to Remington)which made the cap sit a bit higher on the cone. That might be enough to take up the slack. At least up till the covid issues hit that's how they were made. BTW, those were funny looking cones on the Navy. Hard for me to tell from a picture, but I've never run across straight sided cones as you described. At least not on any revolver.
Thanks for the advice Navy Six. I have about 1000 CCI #11 caps as well as all the other brands and sizes including RWS. I can't find any that fit the old nipples or any that will fire on the new nipples. CCI #11 fit the new nipples fine but are too short for the hammer to strike them. I did some measuring today and am researching the height of various nipples. There is .031 difference in the height of the original nipples and the new ones I installed. I had no idea there were so many different lengths of the nipples on the market today. Some I think are designed for single shot pistols and are too short for revolvers with limited hammer travel. I'll keep at it until i find some kind of solution or explanation.