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General Discussion / Cap and ball channel
« on: April 30, 2024, 12:18:35 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb
At least someone is having fun with cap & ball revolvers. This guy posts new You tube vidoes often and focuses on having a bit of fun with them along with the usual details. Nice change of pace.

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Forum Information / Happy Easter
« on: March 31, 2024, 07:55:33 AM »
A very Happy Easter to all of you and loved ones! Hope everyone has good weather for the Egg Hunt. Hope I can some of the eggs I hid for the Grandkids!

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Percussion Caps and Primers / primer seating depth
« on: March 31, 2024, 07:42:22 AM »
At my last Cowboy Shoot my 38-40 black powder loads failed to fire in my Uberti 1866 at a rate of almost 50%. I was very puzzled as this has never happened. Inspecting the offending cartridges later showed light firing pin strikes, but that all primers (Winchester large pistol)were seated below the case rim. Rifle inspection showed nothing amiss so I broke down the remaining cartridges. I then used a RCBS hand priming tool and was able to further seat each primer. Those now empty cartridges fired normally in the same rifle. I load on a Dillon 550B which is now 40 years old, but I inspect each and every cartridge I reload for primer seating depth and know for certain none of those 38-40s had high primers. So I guess I will probably now use the hand priming tool as you can feel the primer bottom out in the pocket much better.

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I intend to conduct a series of tests on Colt style percussion pistols in regards to mainspring strength and its affect on percussion cap performance. I would like to accurately measure and compare a variety of mainsprings. I do have a trigger pull gauge and considered measuring that as I swapped out different mainsprings on the same gun. Is there a better way of doing this? I don't want my results to be based on "well, this spring feels heavier than that one". Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Gunsmithing/Parts & Repairs/Refinishing / Looking back at the problem
« on: March 01, 2024, 05:44:09 AM »
I ran across this video by Mark Hubbs a few years ago but is causing me to re-think things about cap jamming.

I have done the usual preparation on all my percussion pistols--arbor length correction, Slix Shot nipples, action tuning, hammer face polishing etc., but still get occasional cap jams on my Colt repros. I have not cared to install a cap post for a variety of reasons and probably never will. Watching Mark's hi-speed video showed the hammer being blown back on the Uberti 60 Army with stock hammer spring. Thing is, you couldn't see it at normal speed until the video was slowed down and for three frames it was clearly evident.
After my research in regards to original Colt percussion pistols, mention was frequently made that original mainsprings felt much heavier compared to modern repros.
My intention this year is to acquire several heavier type mainsprings and test them in guns that have proved a bit problematic as to cap jams.
P.S. Don't know what happened there but if you click on the "Watch on You Tube" it will take you there.

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General Discussion / Couldn't Have Said It Better
« on: December 25, 2023, 04:37:24 AM »

Too Good not to post this! Merry Christmas and Happy New year Everyone!!

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General Discussion / Cap & Ball Challenge
« on: December 19, 2023, 08:19:57 AM »

Saw this on You Tube channel "Cap & Ball Fanatic" and it looks like fun. Most will have heard about Hickok and Hardin shooting playing cards but I had never considered doing it myself. Since most of my cap & ball shooting is for fun, this gives me a new angle to try. As a long time Cowboy Shooter, I have been promising myself to try the "Gunfighter" category and this would make good(and fun) training for both hands. Don't worry--I'm not going to be signing any playing cards!!

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Percussion Caps and Primers / WPA primers
« on: October 22, 2023, 03:08:25 PM »
Attended a regional Cowboy Shoot on Saturday and a gentleman had a bunch of different primers for sale. WPA, which I assume are Wolf as they are made in Russia. There were about 20,000 large pistol magnums. The two guys in front of me bought 16,000 of them and my friend bought a 1,000 so I figured I better buy the last 3,000. I have used Wolf 209 shotgun primers with satisfaction in the past so I'm not expecting any problems. I did load up a few 44-40's with these primers and noticed they seated ever so slightly tighter than I'm used to. I later ran into the two guys that bought most of them and one joked " Had I brought more money you wouldn't have gotten those last few thousand". I couldn't pass these up as the seller was only asking $40 per thousand--seemed like the good old days. A few Cowboy matches left this year so I am curious to see how these primers work with my blackpowder loads.

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Forum Information / Snap-A-Cap Day 2023
« on: September 21, 2023, 08:02:43 AM »
Took this opportunity on Snap-A-Cap Day to post this picture as a toast. I just finished these holsters(my second attempt at holster making) which will be used for Cowboy Shoots. They fit 1860 Armies but Navies work as well. Two layers of 5/6 weight make them pretty stiff. Had to get a little creative mounting the Maltese Crosses. Anyway, I will tip a glass later to all those who have passed on.

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Lead casting / Latest dumb mistake
« on: July 17, 2023, 05:41:20 PM »
I needed to run off some .454 round ball as I wanted to try out my recent used Rogers & Spencer acquisition. I have three different pots--one that contain pure lead, another with a bit harder mix and finally one with very hard alloy. Cast a couple hundred and got to the range and you guessed it--I must have used the hard alloy pot as I could barely seat them :icon_scratch:. Fortunately I had a few soft lead balls and even better the gun shot pretty good with those. So, back in the pot the other ones go. At this point in my life I am able to laugh off and forget these types of irritating mistakes. I do not believe in trying to seat anything but pure lead in a percussion pistol as I actually witnessed someone bend the loading lever on a Ruger Old Army using hard lead. So at least I was smart enough to quit before I did something similar!

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Rogers & Spencer / Just One More?
« on: June 13, 2023, 09:44:54 AM »
In a previous post I mentioned the possibility of obtaining another Rogers & Spencer, one that might have been worked on by Tom Ball. Well, scratch that provenance. However, after a two month wait the owner did present a stock Euroarms model mfg 1989. A little surface rust and a  modified brass post front sight didn't deter me as the bore was bright and shinny and the lockup nice and crisp. However, at some point in the past someone tried to remove the mainspring by using a pair of pliers. I know that because they didn't bother to pad the front strap, leaving a 1/4" of nasty gouge marks. I started to turn the gun down but thought  "what else are they going to damage". So home it came with me and I will try my hand at re-finishing that damaged area since I can't live with that type of thing.
I have an interest in Rogers & Spencers and this makes the 6th one I own. Just can't turn one down, especially an orphan. I am cleaning up from the weekend Cowboy shoot so won't be able to tear the new one down until next week. At least the nipples came out already with no problem.

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I used to favor lube cookies when loading black powder cartridges used at Cowboy Matches. Theory was for extended shooting over an entire Match to reduce fouling issues. Since I like to experiment, I recently loaded up some 45 Colt and 45 S&W cartridges(using 28 grs and 24 grs of 3F Swiss), Accurate Molds 45-195B, with the remainder of the cases filled with straight soy wax beads. After shooting all 50 rounds through an Uberti 1860 Army/Kirst cylinder conversion, I found the results interesting. First, there was a large, very wet lube star at the muzzle. Also the bore had less fouling than I would have expected and in fact was pretty clear of heavy powder residue. These results were good enough to encourage me to continue trying these soy wax beads in my percussion pistols, as one of our members, Lyle, reported on a while ago.
I did a little research and found there is more than one soy wax. Two specific types were mentioned, 444 and 464, with 444 having a higher melting temperature. My bag of beads didn't distinguish what it contained. The convenience was the fact there was nothing to mix if you can use the beads in that form.

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Brass and Other Cartridge Casings / Paper cartridge concerns?
« on: May 02, 2023, 02:06:13 PM »
Several years ago I did extensive testing using paper cartridges in both .36 and .44 pistols. I wasn't testing accuracy but rather conditions at a Cowboy Match where time constraints wouldn't allow complete cylinder inspection for paper residue after firing. The test was conducted over four days and I fired a pair of similar guns 6 cylinders each as fast as I could load the next round of paper cartridges. In other words, I loaded the next batch right on top of whatever paper residue remained from previous firing.
Day 1--pair of Uberti .36 51 Navies, total 72 rounds
Day 2--pair of Uberti .44 60 Armies, total 72 rounds
Day 3--pair of Euroarms .44 Rogers & Spencers, total 72 rounds
Day 4--pair of Uberti .36 61 Navies, total 72 rounds
That was a total of 288 rounds with no hang fires or mis-fires. Each round went off normally. That convinced me that under normal conditions the paper residue poses minimal problems. I do however make my paper cartridges from one thickness hair curling paper, using just enough paper to do the job.

The above was a response I submitted on another site where the question arose about the danger of continuing to load paper cartridges without completely removing residue in each chamber. I did this test to determine if it was feasible to keep loading paper cartridges at a Cowboy Match where stopping to completely clean each chamber may not be practical. Since this test I have used my paper cartridges at a several Cowboy Matches with no issues. I post this here as it may be of interest to others who have questions about the safety of doing so. Admittedly, my test may prove nothing, but I hope not!

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Gunsmithing/Parts & Repairs/Refinishing / Original 1860 army
« on: April 17, 2023, 09:26:21 AM »
Had a request from a friend. His original Colt 1860 Army is exhibiting throw by when cocked normally but when slowly cocked the bolt drops in and locks up. A quick look(we were at a Cowboy Match) showed there is no damage to the cylinder notches but without breaking things down I couldn't look at the bolt head. I'm assuming it's a weak bolt/trigger spring as the timing seams OK. I'm sure this guy has never had the gun apart and it looks to be in cared for condition. I hesitated to take a
 look as this guy believes replacement parts should be free(I have a box of springs) but I've never had an original 1860 apart and am curious. I was still undecided until he threw in, for a fair price, a recently acquired Euroarms Rogers & Spencer. A little surface rust on the barrel but the bore looks good. I will pick up the guns at next months Cowboy Shoot as I cannot turn down a Rogers & Spencer. Will report on what I find.

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Leather / First holsters try
« on: February 21, 2023, 11:09:27 AM »
Hope the picture is attached correctly(my first attempt at that too). Anyway, this is my first attempt at holster making. Yes, I copied the general design from a commercial offering but these are shortened and for a pair of Walkers. Really enjoyed the process and can tell already how I could improve on the next pair.

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