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General Discussion / Black Powder/Cap and Ball-Friendly Ranges
« on: January 02, 2021, 09:22:42 PM »
So I live in St. Peters, MO, and I'm having a small problem with finding a good place to shoot.
In the past I would just go to Busch Wildlife, but unfortunately the range there isn't great for black powder. The 15-minute shooting intervals don't give you much time for loading, (particularly with cap and ball) ESPECIALLY if you run into any sort of mechanical problem. I will also be teaching my nephew to shoot beginning this spring, which makes Busch's rigid timetable even less ideal because there's not a great deal of time for both instruction AND shooting. Even if I start him on my old CVA muzzleloader carbine (which would also give me a chance to shoot my dad's Hawken rifle).
Last weekened I checked out the unstaffed range at Reifsnider State Forest to give that a try. I arrived around 9:30 in the morning. At that time, it was just me and two other stations active. I certainly liked the freedom of being able to just set up and shoot at my leisure without having to worry about getting interrupted unless we all agreed to cease-fire. However with it being first-come first-served, you're at the mercy of the crowd. There's simply not a lot of stations, and the downside of no time limit is that you could be waiting forever for a turn at the bench (by the time I left, the line was queued all the way up the hill. And no social distancing, either :-P ).
There's also another big problem with ranges like these:
@$$HOLES WHO CAN'T FOLLOW THE RANGE RULES.
Despite the posted rules at the range being the same as any of the MDC staff ranges (limits to the number of people at the bench, no automatics, no rapid fire, magazine size limits, etc.) it was pretty much the Wild West while I was there:
The group next to me had a good half dozen or more people crowded into the bench. One of them was teaching his girlfriend or whoever, which ok, that's fine. But you don't need all ten of your other friends piled in there with you.
One guy came in (with his five year old kid!!!) and had something like a 50-round drum magazine. And he emptied the ENTIRE THING in about 20 seconds. Many other shooters were also ripping off as many shots as they could as fast as they could. I don't know if any of these were automatics, but they were sure shooting like they did (my guess: bump stocks). It's not just that rapid fire like that frankly just isn't safe. It's ANNOYING AS HELL to be trying to do my thing, when from the next stall over is Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow! It's a distraction, and makes it hard to get the rest of the range's attention in an emergency.
It's especially important to me that my nephew learn both proper gun safety and handling, AND good shooter etiquette. But I don't feel safe taking him to an unstaffed range with that kind of nonsense going on. And while I COULD use it as a teaching moment, ("See what they're doing? Don't do that.") personally I'd rather not have to deal with it in the first place as it's a needless distraction from keeping track of what he's doing. Especially since he has never fired ANY sort of gun, much less black powder.
I was wondering if any of you are in the St. Louis/St. Charles area and might know of a range nearby that might be a better choice. Somewhere that facilitates the slow loading times of muzzleloaders and cap and ball better than Busch or Henges, and where I'd be able to take the time to teach my nephew without having to worry about running out of our allotted time. But at the same time, somewhere I don't have to worry about idiots pretending they're Rambo and who act like the rules of the range don't apply to them.
I don't have a particular desire to join a club; I don't know if I'd be out there often enough for the yearly dues to make it worthwhile, or that my schedule would allow any sort of mandatory meeting/work/competition days.
In the past I would just go to Busch Wildlife, but unfortunately the range there isn't great for black powder. The 15-minute shooting intervals don't give you much time for loading, (particularly with cap and ball) ESPECIALLY if you run into any sort of mechanical problem. I will also be teaching my nephew to shoot beginning this spring, which makes Busch's rigid timetable even less ideal because there's not a great deal of time for both instruction AND shooting. Even if I start him on my old CVA muzzleloader carbine (which would also give me a chance to shoot my dad's Hawken rifle).
Last weekened I checked out the unstaffed range at Reifsnider State Forest to give that a try. I arrived around 9:30 in the morning. At that time, it was just me and two other stations active. I certainly liked the freedom of being able to just set up and shoot at my leisure without having to worry about getting interrupted unless we all agreed to cease-fire. However with it being first-come first-served, you're at the mercy of the crowd. There's simply not a lot of stations, and the downside of no time limit is that you could be waiting forever for a turn at the bench (by the time I left, the line was queued all the way up the hill. And no social distancing, either :-P ).
There's also another big problem with ranges like these:
@$$HOLES WHO CAN'T FOLLOW THE RANGE RULES.
Despite the posted rules at the range being the same as any of the MDC staff ranges (limits to the number of people at the bench, no automatics, no rapid fire, magazine size limits, etc.) it was pretty much the Wild West while I was there:
The group next to me had a good half dozen or more people crowded into the bench. One of them was teaching his girlfriend or whoever, which ok, that's fine. But you don't need all ten of your other friends piled in there with you.
One guy came in (with his five year old kid!!!) and had something like a 50-round drum magazine. And he emptied the ENTIRE THING in about 20 seconds. Many other shooters were also ripping off as many shots as they could as fast as they could. I don't know if any of these were automatics, but they were sure shooting like they did (my guess: bump stocks). It's not just that rapid fire like that frankly just isn't safe. It's ANNOYING AS HELL to be trying to do my thing, when from the next stall over is Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow-Pow! It's a distraction, and makes it hard to get the rest of the range's attention in an emergency.
It's especially important to me that my nephew learn both proper gun safety and handling, AND good shooter etiquette. But I don't feel safe taking him to an unstaffed range with that kind of nonsense going on. And while I COULD use it as a teaching moment, ("See what they're doing? Don't do that.") personally I'd rather not have to deal with it in the first place as it's a needless distraction from keeping track of what he's doing. Especially since he has never fired ANY sort of gun, much less black powder.
I was wondering if any of you are in the St. Louis/St. Charles area and might know of a range nearby that might be a better choice. Somewhere that facilitates the slow loading times of muzzleloaders and cap and ball better than Busch or Henges, and where I'd be able to take the time to teach my nephew without having to worry about running out of our allotted time. But at the same time, somewhere I don't have to worry about idiots pretending they're Rambo and who act like the rules of the range don't apply to them.
I don't have a particular desire to join a club; I don't know if I'd be out there often enough for the yearly dues to make it worthwhile, or that my schedule would allow any sort of mandatory meeting/work/competition days.