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Leech & Rigdon / Rigdon & Ansley / Re: Uberti Leech & Rigdon
« on: December 23, 2018, 08:01:22 AM »
Hi Dave,

That is a pretty revolver.  I can't tell for sure in the photo but is the front sight dovetailed?

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Walkers & Dragoons / Re: ASM 3rd Model Dragoon
« on: December 23, 2018, 07:56:24 AM »
Hi Dave,

That is a fine looking revolver and I like the photo.  I agree on the grips also but ASM parts can be hard to find .  Parts I got for mine were hit or miss. Dimensions seem to vary with time.  I hope you find what you need. 

I have an ASM 2nd model my dad gave me when I was 12 in 1970.  He let me pick between it and a Navy repro that they had in the gun store. When I picked the Dragoon he didn't say a word but probably thought I was nuts and then taught me how to load and shoot it and clean it.  He owned and shot an original Manhattan navy in the 60's.

Regards,
GEC


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Army Models / Re: New 1860 Army
« on: December 10, 2018, 06:02:03 PM »
I used to have access to my parent's place but it was sold after Dad passed away.  Now I have to drive 17 miles to a public range at the local wildlife refuge.  Nice facility though.

Regards
GEC

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Army Models / Re: New 1860 Army
« on: December 09, 2018, 08:10:06 PM »
Sorry to hear that Mike.  I've been shooting about once a week, weather permitting in spite of working 60 hour weeks. Mostly BP revolvers.

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Army Models / Re: New 1860 Army
« on: December 09, 2018, 05:50:05 PM »
I guess the attachment worked,  Just not visible in preview. 

I love this pistol.  Now that it no longer jams and the action is smoothed it is a pleasure to shoot!

Regards
GEC

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Army Models / New 1860 Army
« on: December 09, 2018, 05:31:37 PM »
I got a new 1860 Army by Uberti.  On sale from Midway.  The bolt was rising late and I fixed that.  Also installed Slix nipples and smoothed/defanged the hammer face.

First 25 yard group off a bench on Dec 3rd.  1st shot went with high, next five in an inch and a half with four touching. Probably a fluke but I'll take it. 35 grains 3F Goex and .421 inch cast ball.  Hits five inches above point of aim.  Sucked caps like crazy the first two outings.   No jams after installing the Slix Shot nipples.

Offhand at 15 yards it was shooting into 3 inches.

I am having trouble posting pictures for some reason.


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Navy Models / Re: Old discusion again
« on: October 06, 2018, 05:37:01 AM »
I have let cleaning go for a couple of days with black powder with no ill effect, though I generally clean the same day I shoot.  This would NOT apply to Pyrodex which I have found is more corrosive than BP.  I think how long you can go w/o cleaning depends on humidity and and on how effective your lube is.

Gary

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Navy Models / Re: Old discusion again
« on: October 04, 2018, 04:40:31 PM »
Hello all.  I used to make lubed felt wads, then lube pills.  Now I just put in powder, then use a knife blade to put lube over the powder and then seat the ball on top of it.  Quick and simple.  Lube is made from beeswax lanolin and olive oil in varying proportion depending on the time of year. The lube under the ball seems to work best for me.   

One summer a couple of years ago I was using a cardboard box as a target stand at maybe 7 yards and had put several paper targets up and caught the thing on fire with a lubed wads.   

Cheers
Gary

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Hear ya go Hawg.

DuPont 2F, Lee 130 grain conical/
20 grains volume in the Pietta Navy averaged 743 FPS.  (for two shots as I only had 2 lee conicals left.)

Same powder and load with conicals cast from a brass replica mould that average 142 grains the average velocity was 595 FPS, SD 15 for six shots in an Uberti London Navy which the conicals fit better due to their being larger in diameter that the lee.

20 grains of GOEX 3F with that bullet averaged 780 FPS, SD 25 for six shots.

3F got significantly faster speed over the same charge measured by volume if 2F. however I do not know if it the older DuPont 2F compares directly to GOEX 2F though I think they would be roughly comparable.

Accuracy from the 142 grain conical was only fair compared to what I get with the Lee conical or round balls.

Remington 10 caps, Chrony set up 13 feet from the bench. 

The DuPont 2F was from the late 1960's I believe, red/white metal can with black FFG stamped on.   I have read that DuPont sold their black powder facilities and tech to Gearhart Owen (GOI) in 1972 which later led to GOEX so I suspect they would be similar in performance.

Performance differences between 2F and 3F are about what you would expect.

Regards
GEC


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A toss up between an old ASM dragoon and a signature series 1860 Army.  The ASM was a gift from my dad in about 1970 and was made in 1968.  It was my first cap and ball revolver.  It fully lived up to what I have since read about ASM QC.  Nice on the outside, often crap on the inside.

I ultimately replaced the all the internals plus the hammer and cylinder. Fixed the loose arbor. The arbor hole in the barrel lug intersected with the slot milled for the loading lever so you can see the arbor in the hole if the loading lever is removed but that did not affect function.  The arbor is about .25 inch (!) short but it is conical anyways and bottoms out on the entrance to the arbor hole in the barrel lug.  The wedge enters from the right like a Walker which males loading on the gun awkward.  I have seen photos of three other early ASM dragoons set up the same way but I think it's pretty rare.   Now it runs and shoots OK  Oh, and the nipples in the original cylinder were too small for ANY brand/size nipple I was ever able to try.  Maybe meant for size 9 caps? And the original chambers were over sized.  The new cylinder has new stainless nipples that work great.  No cap jams whatever.   

As for the Colt signature series...  >:(  A TOTALLY disappointing piece of crap.  It had tool marks on the screw heads and even on the face of the recoil shield, rough internals, excessive cylinder gap, short arbor (loose, natch), timing off.  I'm in the process of fixing it.  It LOOKS real good handing on the wall with nice bluing and case hardening and the fluted cylinder that I like.  I want shooters, not wall hangers.  It is fixable but not what I expected from the signature series Colt.  QC was very poor.



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Patersons / Re: capping a Paterson
« on: March 26, 2017, 02:41:56 PM »
That works for the Wells Fargo where capping cut out is a bit small as well.

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Army Models / Re: another one off custom
« on: March 25, 2017, 08:40:15 PM »
Ya did the right thing and came up with something special.

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Correction. The  13 grains was GOI.  I think that was a later name for Gearhart -Owen powder. 

Captain, I have a copy of the 1975 edition lyman black powder handbook.  It has pressure and velocity data for various loads of curtis and harvey and ang gearhart owen 3f and 4f powders that i used as a guide.   I can find nothing about presure spikes in the 4f loads but they might have that in a later handbook and i will take your advice and not use 4f in the 44 or heavy 36 loads.  Their pressure measurements were made with revolvers with one chamber modified to use a lead crusher and pressure data was lup.  17 gr 4f has been my normal load with lee 130 gr conical for a long time with no problems.

Wish i had chronographed the hodgdon to compare with the c&h data but ive used it up.

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I use it in my Uberti Wells Fargo.  9 grains Goex4F under a conical or RB cast from an EMF replica mold I got on ebay is the starting load because that is what the measure that came with the small flask I got for the revolver throws.  I tried one cylinder of 13 grains of the same powder under a RB. It was too hot a load.  Caused hammer blow back and the bolt unlocked according to my notes as did 10 grains.  9 grains new Goex 4F was fine but the pistol still sucks caps no matter what.   

The GOI was also from dad's hoard.   Still have a can of DuPont 2F.  Red and white metal can labelled DU PONT in an oval in red letters and "SUPERFINE BLACK RIFLE POWDER" in black letters on the front and FFG appears to be stamped in ink.  The lot number is next to the lid on top and is not completely legible but the second line looks like 02-67.   The powder he had from the 60s still shot just fine.

I was mistaken about the price in the Hodgdon can of 3F.  It is $3.50.  It does not say who made it but it does say made in scotland.  Its a red metal can with red/white paper labels pasted on.

Growing up with my dad I got to shoot and handle and learn about a number of percussion and early cartridge rifles and pistols he collected.  I took such thinks for granted then but I really appreciate it now.

Regards
GEC

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Captain, I was using 4F in a 36 caliber, not in the 44. 20 grains was about the max I can seat a conical of 4F.  I used 35 grain of 2F in the Dragoon but I have not chrono'ed it.  I have an old Lyman BPH that has pressure data for 4F in the 36 IIRC, which was safe.  It is so old it has data for DuPont and Curtis and Harvey (I think).  When dad passed away I got his BP gear, among which was a can of Hodgdon 3F which I believe was made by Curtis & Harvey.  It was about half full and I shot it off without chrono. It was in a red metal can, which I saved.  I'll post a picture of it when I have time.  Probably from the early 60's.  IIRC the price was under $2.

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