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Black Powder Pistols => Colt's Southern Cousins => Topic started by: Fingers McGee on August 23, 2016, 01:07:03 PM
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A while back I posted a photo of Confederate revolvers that did not include all models - cause I didn't have them all. Now I do. Here are the handguns used by the Confederacy that have had reproductions made:
Counter Clockwise from the top:
Griswold and Gunnison sheriffs model ( Uberti)
Tucker & Sherrard (Uberti)
Spiller & Burr (Pietta
Schneider & Glassick(Pietta)
Leech and Rigdon (Uberti)
Rigdon & Ansley Augusta (Uberti)
Navy LeMat (Pietta)
Griswold & Gunnison
J.H. Dance (Pietta)
Center:
Leech & Rigdon Sheriffs model (Pietta)
The Tucker & Sherrard, LeMat, and J.H.Dance are .44 caliber. All others are .36
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/DSCN2382_zps7zo5hoiu.jpg)
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Well, you're the first on my block to get 'em all. Great looking collection Fingers. That L & R looks really sharp. The Tucker & Sherrard looks interesting too.
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Hi Fingers, what a great collection!! That collection is worthy of a museum. Do you display them or do they hide in a safe?
Regards,
Richard
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Hi Fingers, what a great collection!! That collection is worthy of a museum. Do you display them or do they hide in a safe?
Regards,
Richard
I have to open a fresh can of fffg to entice them to come out of the safe. Then they just sit around and smell it. For the most part, none of them have been shot
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Great collection and great photo Fingers. I doubt there are many who could put all those revolvers along with the other accoutrements together in a photo. Great to see.
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What was the hardest one to add to the collection?
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I don't think I've ever seen a T&S outside of Gunbroker...
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What was the hardest one to add to the collection?
The LeMat - Wasn't hardest to find, just hardest to let go of $$ for because the price of them has gone through the roof. I lucked into this one for a more than reasonable price - not the $1000 plus they've been asking for them.
The Uberti and Pietta sheriffs models are probably the rarest. But, again, lucked out on them at a low price.
One thing I've found. You have to check the auction sites regularly or you will miss something. I got the Tucker and Sherrard because the seller had it listed as a Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon.
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I don't think I've ever seen a T&S outside of Gunbroker...
This one was another one of those lucky finds. It was a cased set that was misidentified as a 2nd model dragoon. SN of it is T64. according to Dr. Davis it is 1 of 400.
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Great collection and great photo Fingers. I doubt there are many who could put all those revolvers along with the other accoutrements together in a photo. Great to see.
Thank you Mike. The sword is a McElroy staff officers sword, the belt is a reproduction of the sword belt made by the Confederate arsenal in Tyler, Texas and has a Texas buckle and a reproduction of the arsenal stamp on the belt near the hanger. Family is from Tyler & GGGrandfather enlisted in Smith County in April '61.
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Fingers,
Don't you need to include the Colt 1851? I thought Colt was able to make a shipment to the CSA just prior to the start of the war?
Kevin
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Hi StrawHat, it should also include the Yank handguns taken off the battlefield, 1851 and 1860? Then call the collection, "The guns of the Civil War"?
Regards,
Richard
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Fingers,
Don't you need to include the Colt 1851? I thought Colt was able to make a shipment to the CSA just prior to the start of the war?
Kevin
This was to show which reproductions of primary and secondary handguns made/used by and for the Confederacy are available. There were other handguns made by and for he south that are not being replicated. A couple that I'd love to see are the Kofer and Kerr.
If I included the 1851 Navy Colt's that got to the south I'd have to include the full fluted 1860 Armies that McCullough got for his regiment. Neither are considered Confederate Handguns.
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Fingers,
Don't you need to include the Colt 1851? I thought Colt was able to make a shipment to the CSA just prior to the start of the war?
Kevin
This was to show which reproductions of primary and secondary handguns made/used by and for the Confederacy are available. There were other handguns made by and for he south that are not being replicated. A couple that I'd love to see are the Kofer and Kerr.
If I included the 1851 Navy Colt's that got to the south I'd have to include the full fluted 1860 Armies that McCullough got for his regiment. Neither are considered Confederate Handguns.
First, I misunderstood the intent of the display. For that, I apologize.
Second, about the 1860s, I was not aware of that fact. I knew the Colt factory was able to ship the 1851s just prior to the shelling of Sumpter but was not aware of McCullough getting any Colts. Were these ordered from the factory?
Kevin
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There were two shipments totalling 1,000 (700 & 300) Colt Army's that went to New Orleans in April 1861. This shipment is widely believed to have ended up in the hands of Benjamin McCulloch's Texas Rangers at the beginning of the war.
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Great collection! It must have taken a long time to complete. What's the difference between the Leech and Rigdon (Uberti) and the Rigdon & Ansley Augusta (Uberti)?
Another thing I wonder is what is the correct finish on the original G&G and L&R? Didn't they have some parts like the loading levers or something left in the white?
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L&R has cylinder with 6 bolt stop notches. Rigdon & Ansley Augusta model have 12 bolt stops like the Manhattan revolvers did - the pair I have were made from a pair of L&Rs that had the 6 extra slots milled in the cylinders.
G&Gs were "as well finished as those made by the Patentee himself" according to an article in the Macon GA Telegraph on August 5 1862. And a subsequent report by Cpt Cuyler who had been placed in charge of CS Ordinance at Savannah includes a paragraph that says "I demonstrated to the foreman the process of case hardening, tmpering springs, and tinning steel without the use of acids and described the manner of bluing."
I would take it from these reference and others that CCH and Blue were the finishes of the day.
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G&G Pietta sale at Cabelas.http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pietta-Griswold-and-Gunnison-Caliber-Black-Powder-Revolver/1167468.uts?
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At that price if you want one better get it now.
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Fingers, you've been holding out on me! I haven't seen any pictures of that LeMat...until now! Nice collection!
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Wow Fingers that's a hell of a collection. Love that Dance, they are high up on my "need to buy" list.
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Wow Fingers that's a hell of a collection. Love that Dance, they are high up on my "need to buy" list.
I think Hewy had one for sale here a little while ago?
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Wow Fingers that's a hell of a collection. Love that Dance, they are high up on my "need to buy" list.
I think Hewy had one for sale here a little while ago?
He did! I believe it sold already. Although for me currently a newer car currently outranks the Dance on the "Need to Buy" list ^j)
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Wow Fingers that's a hell of a collection. Love that Dance, they are high up on my "need to buy" list.
I sold the one in the picture a while back. IIRC it was to Hewy. In fact, there are probably five or six from that photo that I sold in Jan/Feb 2017.
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Question,
Would the colt walker fit into this group??
I know they were made about 15 years before the start of the war. I would imagine most of them resided in Texas so Im wondering if they saw much use during the civil war ?
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Question,
Would the colt walker fit into this group??
I know they were made about 15 years before the start of the war. I would imagine most of them resided in Texas so Im wondering if they saw much use during the civil war ?
Walkers were more than likely used by Southern soldiers; but, They were not made by the South.
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A while back I posted a photo of Confederate revolvers that did not include all models - cause I didn't have them all. Now I do. Here are the handguns used by the Confederacy that have had reproductions made:
So far I have all but T & S.
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Question,
Would the colt walker fit into this group??
I know they were made about 15 years before the start of the war. I would imagine most of them resided in Texas so Im wondering if they saw much use during the civil war ?
I would say no. Not only were they not produced in or for the South, but nobody in their right mind would carry a sidearm that big and heavy when smaller .44s were readily available. They were designed for use with a pommel holster.
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Not as impressive as Fingers, but here is my Confederate collection:
Left, top to bottom
Griswold & Gunnison, Pietta, 1976
J. H. Dance & Brothers, Pietta, 2013
Griswold & Gunnison, Pietta, 2013
Schneider & Glassick, Luciano Giacosa, 1966
Center top to bottom
Tucker Sherrard, & Co., Uberti, 1979
Le Mat, Denix, non firing replica, 2014
Schneider & Glassick, Armi San Paolo, 1960s
Spiller & Burr, Pietta, 2014
Schneider & Glassick, Fusav di Bini & Baronio, 1978
Right top to bottom
Griswold & Gunnison, Pietta, 1973
Leech & Rigdon, Uberti, 2013
Schneider & Glassick, Armi San Paolo, 1970s
Schneider & Glassick, Armi Esterina & Co., 1975
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Wow...look at the bling on those! ;)
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Pretty damn impressive to me!
Very nice collection!
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Wow, you have been AWOL for quite a while. Welcome Home!
Schneider & Glassick, Armi Esterina & Co., 1975
I am very curious about this one: never heard of the manufacturer before. What do the maker marks look like?
Regards,
Jim
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Hey Guys,
First, Very nice collection.
Second, "PR ITALY" - is the mark used by Fabbrica d'Armi Esterina Riva for black powder replicas, imported by FIE (Firearms Import Export). Evidently, arms from this manufacturer, while safe and serviceable, are not of the best quality when it comes to finish and materials used.
AntiqueSledMan.
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Not as impressive as Fingers, but here is my Confederate collection:
Good looking bunch.
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"PR ITALY" - is the mark used by Fabbrica d'Armi Esterina Riva for black powder replicas, imported by FIE (Firearms Import Export). Evidently, arms from this manufacturer, while safe and serviceable, are not of the best quality when it comes to finish and materials used.
AntiqueSledMan.
Thank you sir!
Regards,
Jim
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Hey Guys,
First, Very nice collection.
Second, "PR ITALY" - is the mark used by Fabbrica d'Armi Esterina Riva for black powder replicas, imported by FIE (Firearms Import Export). Evidently, arms from this manufacturer, while safe and serviceable, are not of the best quality when it comes to finish and materials used.
AntiqueSledMan.
I always heard it was Pierino Ruschetta
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Pierrino Ruschetta was a wild guess made by a collector, based only on the initials of the name.
I lead a long search on the PR maker's mark and came to the conclusion that it had been used by Esterina Riva for one of their black powder replicas line. From what I gathered, they also used the brand DART and a concentric triple R, depending on the kind of gun and the level of quality.
Being French myself, I first documented this search on two french sites (http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/t14873-marquage-trois-r-superposes (http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/t14873-marquage-trois-r-superposes) and https://poudrenoire-free-fr.superforum.fr/t125-marquage-pr (https://poudrenoire-free-fr.superforum.fr/t125-marquage-pr)).
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You are a wealth of knowledge Ringo!
Nice to see a post from you.
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You are a wealth of knowledge Ringo!
Nice to see a post from you.
Ditto! It's been a while, glad to see you back along with your wealth of knowledge!
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Thanks Ringo. I'll be sure to update my files.
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Long time no see Ringo! Glad you are back!
Jim
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Always glad to see old friends return!
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Many thanks, Gentlemen. You are all very kind. L@.
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Thanks Ringo, two interesting Forums this side of the Atlantic.
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Thanks to you, Len. Don't hesitate to become a member of http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/forum (http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/forum) (I am a mod ont that one)). We always welcome new members, and a good part of us can read and write English.
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Thanks to you, Len. Don't hesitate to become a member of http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/forum (http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/forum) (I am a mod ont that one)). We always welcome new members, and a good part of us can read and write English.
Thanks, I'll think about it.
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A Bacon marked CSA up for auction
https://prob.auction2000.online/auk/w.object?inC=PROB&inA=20220326_1926&inO=122