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Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« on: August 06, 2017, 06:11:48 PM »
Seems an accurate way to describe them really.  Historically.  As in the past, others were licensed to produce his arms, but were not finished/inspected etc by Colt.  Such as the Belgian Brevetes.  So, all in all, the Colt Blackpowder Arms Co. of whom were licenced to make them, but Colt had no part in them save for the licensing.  Maybe a difference is:  1-  The crafters were the same (3rd Gens).  2- The serial numbering was continued from the previous  Colts.

So, could they be called  'Brevetes'?  (3rd Gens)

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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 01:04:34 PM »
No not in my opinion. Colt sought out the Belgians to make  revolvers, specifically the 51 navy and I'm sure were paid for making them. I don't think they were authorized to make the 60 army. Colt Black Powder Arms Co. paid Colt for the rights to use their name. Entirely different thing.
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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 02:36:18 PM »
If that is the case, then rightly so,  In the case of the 3rd Gens, Colt industries   d i d n t   invite, prompt or otherwise ask the Colt Blackpowder Arms Co. to reproduce them.  T h e y    came to Colt asking if they could do it.  This seems to be the case.  Hmm?

So,  instead of Brevetes, they are  Eteverbs.

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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 05:03:28 PM »
If that is the case, then rightly so,  In the case of the 3rd Gens, Colt industries   d i d n t   invite, prompt or otherwise ask the Colt Blackpowder Arms Co. to reproduce them.  T h e y    came to Colt asking if they could do it.  This seems to be the case.  Hmm?

So,  instead of Brevetes, they are  Eteverbs.

They didn't just ask, they paid for the rights to use the Colt name and logo.
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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 08:11:53 PM »
The Signature Series(aka 3rd Gens) were made by Lou Imperato's company, Iver Johnson. Iver Johnson had already had the rights to make the F-Series 2nd Gens when Colt abruptly discontinued the entire line. This left Imperato stuck with a whole bunch of unfinished guns and probably his suppliers as well. It's likely Imperato threatened legal action but whether he did or not, eventually he and Colt came to an agreement whereby Imperato could make and sell what became known as the Signature Series Colt's.
The main difference between the Sig Series and the 2nd Gens is the 2nd Gens were inspected by Colt, the Sig Series were not. Also the Sig Series included models and variations the the 2nd Gen did not, including the Paterson, four distinct versions of the Whitneyville-Hartford Dragoon and the Military Version of the 3rd Model Dragoon, with the recoil shield cut for shoulder stock. Numerous special editions as well, such as the Tiffany 1860 Army.

Regarding the Belgian Brevette's. Samuel Colt met with a consortium of Belgian gunmakers as a way to fend off potentially difficult, expensive enforcement of his patent. At one point Colt had a man in Belgium whom any gun manufacturer(not just those of the consortium) could bring guns to and if they passed a quality control inspection and paid a fee, they would be labeled "brevette" and could be legally sold.

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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 05:14:57 AM »
I'm pretty sure Colt did the final fit and finish on the 2nd gens and handled sales and marketing. Iver Johnson didn't make the 3rd gens. Lou Imperato bought the IJ building and sold the guns under the Colt Black Powder Arms Co. name. When the 3rd gens came out they copied the users manual from the second gens word for word including warranty information. Colt put out a disclaimer saying they they weren't Colt's, that Colt didn't make them and would not warranty them and would not work on them. Fingers can probably shed more light on it. He's the go to man on Colt's revolvers.
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Re: Modern Brevete Colts (3rd Gen)
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 09:59:58 PM »
Wow!  A lot of prickly history there.  I can see if Colt pulled the plug early, and those guys had all those unfinished pistols/parts,  I can see where a threatening tone could surface etc. 

Interesting.