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Would the Gatling guns offered Custer have made a difference?

Yes, they would have changed the outcome
1 (33.3%)
No, they wouldn't have made a difference
1 (33.3%)
Undecided/unsure
1 (33.3%)
Don't care either way.
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closes: June 26, 2024, 07:31:20 PM

Author Topic: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)  (Read 1043 times)

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You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« on: June 24, 2023, 06:56:19 PM »
Oh, come on! Anyone who didn't answer "The 147th anniversary of Custer's Last Stand!" go sit in the corner, and take this dunce cap with you! :smiley-taunt003: (>> ^j) *Z$
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2023, 07:23:56 PM »
“Indians?  What Indians?
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2023, 06:00:03 PM »
“Indians?  What Indians?

Custer, to Reno; (paraphrased) "Don't let them get away!!" L@J
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2023, 07:51:44 PM »
Truly a botched op … with Autie to thank.

Takes an hour but contained historical insight -


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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 11:18:19 AM »
Once again we approach the anniversary of the biggest defeat the U.S. Cavalry ever suffered at the hands of the Plains Indians...the Battle of the Little Bighorn, on June 25th. Over-confident, hopelessly outnumbered and caught with their trousers down, it always leaves me with a profound sense of loss.
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 07:26:30 PM »
I've always wondered if they would have made a difference. Author says "no". What is your opinion?

https://www.historynet.com/guns-custer-left-behind-burden/
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 07:35:18 PM »
In answer to the poll, I have my own trail of logic. But I'll let you guys go first, so as not to influence your decisions.
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2024, 04:19:04 AM »
I might get some people excited here, but.

I have visited the battlefield multiple times, we even took the bus tour two different times.

On the first bus tour a young Lady from the Crow Nation gave the tour,
she called it just the way it was. She made it sound like
Custer was an arrogant S.O.B. and he got exactly what he deserved.

On the second bus tour a gentleman from the Crow Nation gave the tour,
he also made it sound like Custer received what he deserved.

The Battlefield is on Crow Land and the Crow were neutral during the battle.
Both of these stated that Sitting Bull stated to "Not mutilate the bodies and to
leave everything where it laid", but of course that didn't happen.

I still can't believe that Custer thought he could actually win the battle.

All I can say is if you ever get a chance to check out the Battlefield, do it.

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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2024, 05:27:55 AM »
Custer wore Arrow shirts.

The battlefield is fascinating if you have any interest  in these things.

Custer was born in a tiny town in my home county.  In the 20th century he was mostly ignored there until the bottom fell out of the coal mining economy.  THEN he became a tourist attraction.
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2024, 07:15:57 AM »
Custer disobeyed orders and didn't wait for the other forces of Crook, Gibbon and Terry. It was supposed to be a three pronged attack. He got what he deserved, per your Crow guides. I feel sorry for the troops he dragged along with him on his mission of idiocy.
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Re: You know what today is, right? (June 25th)
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2024, 08:10:13 AM »
For what it's worth, my humble opinion...
Yes, I think it would have made a big difference. The article brings forth several issues about the horses I was unaware of. However that being said, the poor condition of the teams and the weight and difficulty of the Gatlings surely would have slowed Custer down. Which would have been a good thing. Maybe he would have arrived on time instead of early and could have completed the mission as planned with the other two prongs. But he had his sights set on glory and the White House. In reality, he probably would have faced a court martial for disobeying orders.
Also, the article mentions Gatlings are primarily used as a defense weapon rather than an offensive weapon. What did the author think the Custer battlefield was? A circle of soldiers surrounded by an attacking force 10 x their size. Not to mention that once the battle got going in earnest, the troopers spent the majority of their time trying to pry headless brass casings out of their trapdoors as the high copper content brass tended to stay expanded in a hot barrel and the extractors ripped the bases off them leaving the brass stuck in the chamber. How is a soldier supposed to fight like that? The Gatlings, in such instance would have been a godsend and may well have turned the battle. And if Custer had simply waited for the others, it most likely would have closed the book on the plains Indian wars right then and there.
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