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Title: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 05, 2024, 01:18:07 PM
Saw this behind a glass case display at an Army base. It appears to be an original but I'll leave that to the more educated fellers here on CC. Just wanted to share the picture. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Navy Six on February 05, 2024, 01:40:22 PM
No expert here but I like the picture. Thanks for posting Zulch!
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 07, 2024, 12:47:29 PM
No expert here but I like the picture. Thanks for posting Zulch!
Thank you for looking and commenting Navy Six. I guess you and I are the only folks that appreciate it. LOL
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 07, 2024, 01:11:27 PM
It's hard to comment on a pic devoid of details or markings. It "looks" original if that means anything. Also something is amiss as the chambers don't line up with the forcing cone.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 07, 2024, 01:13:58 PM
Hey Hawg. Unfortunately, it was behind the glass. I think it said it had been rendered non functional. I suppose in case someone wanted to steal it? I dunno.  :icon_scratch:
I Appreciate your input though.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Captainkirk on February 07, 2024, 05:02:28 PM
Tim, that cylinder looks a tad short. Could that be a Navy model?
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: 45 Dragoon on February 07, 2024, 06:09:05 PM
Yap, the cylinder definitely looks odd.

Mike
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 07, 2024, 06:11:20 PM
You reckon Cap? Kind of sad the Army cobbled parts together thinking maybe no one would recognize?
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Bishop Creek on February 07, 2024, 07:19:10 PM
That cylinder does look a little short. For comparison, here are a couple of shots of original Remington's I took photos of at the Nevada Sate Historical Museum in Carson City, NV. One of them is nickel plated.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 08, 2024, 05:14:55 AM
Bishop Creek. Thank you sir for your input and pictures. The "Remmy" that I posted is from the National Infantry Museum. One would think that the person who was responsible for putting this on display would have been more accurate? 
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Navy Six on February 08, 2024, 07:05:31 AM
Yes, you would think a museum would strive to be accurate, which is why the new Visitors Center in Gettysburg is such a disappointment to me. They replaced a lot of the original guns with obviously new reproductions. Then, going to their Bookstore, I searched in vain for any firearms related material. I still enjoy a visit to Gettysburg but now look forward to stopping in Dirty Billy's Hats downtown.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 08, 2024, 07:35:33 AM
Navy Six, Just looked up Dirty Billy's Hats. Looks like a great store. I guess that you like to buy different period head gear? Wish there was something like this place in my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Navy Six on February 08, 2024, 02:17:48 PM
Zulch, walking into Dirty Billy's is like walking into a Civil War hat store. Even the employees are dressed in period attire. Since I've been involved in Cowboy Action Shooting for over 25 years, you start to accumulate a few hats. Even though the only Cowboy Clubs near me are SASS affiliated, my friend and I do our best to be period correct in all our equipment. Even my wife shoots only black powder when she comes. Might sound silly to some, but there a number of new, younger guys in one of my clubs and I figure, someone has to set an example.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Captainkirk on February 08, 2024, 05:49:03 PM
There's also some whackadoodle gizmo on the frame between the loading lever plunger and the ball cutout. Wazzup with that? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Bishop Creek on February 08, 2024, 09:10:51 PM
There's also some whackadoodle gizmo on the frame between the loading lever plunger and the ball cutout. Wazzup with that? :icon_scratch:

I think it's a hook holding the revolver to the wall. You can see the other one behind the trigger guard.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 08, 2024, 09:52:20 PM
Are those Italian proof marks on the cylinder?
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 09, 2024, 05:04:04 AM
There's also some whackadoodle gizmo on the frame between the loading lever plunger and the ball cutout. Wazzup with that? :icon_scratch:

I think it's a hook holding the revolver to the wall. You can see the other one behind the trigger guard.
That's right Bishop Creek. That revolver is suspended on a vertical wall by hooks/clips. I'll try an get a close up picture of the revolver.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 09, 2024, 05:44:49 AM
There used to be a Mexican restaurant in Columbus MS that had a lot of old Mexican vaquero stuff. Original guns and holsters. spurs, saddles etc. It also had an original Conestoga wagon on the roof harnessed to six white fiberglass horses. I wish I had taken pics of the displays but even if I had I wouldn't have them anymore. It got destroyed by a tornado in the 90's.   
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 09, 2024, 11:54:14 AM
Got some more pictures of the Remington.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 09, 2024, 12:07:34 PM
I guess they were just dents. There's nothing to identify it as original. No subcontractors stamps or anything. There's nothing saying it isn't either.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 09, 2024, 12:18:52 PM
I guess they were just dents. There's nothing to identify it as original. No subcontractors stamps or anything. There's nothing saying it isn't either.
Right Hawg. Here' another picture
with a serial number on the card.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 09, 2024, 02:25:13 PM
That is NOT an original serial number. Originals didn't have letter prefixes. If you left the J off it would be too early for a pinched front sight.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Bishop Creek on February 09, 2024, 03:32:46 PM
The thing that makes me curious is the step in the top of the frame to the barrel, I don't recall seeing an original like that but my Pietta Remington replicas have that step. Could it be a Pietta made to look like an antique?
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 09, 2024, 03:46:00 PM
The thing that makes me curious is the step in the top of the frame to the barrel, I don't recall seeing an original like that but my Pietta Remington replicas have that step. Could it be a Pietta made to look like an antique?

Good eye. I missed that. The original frames were milled close to the top of the barrel.

Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 10, 2024, 05:50:15 AM
I'm beginning to think this is a counterfeit? I need to find out more about it and that's what i will do next week. I've had one Remington by Uberti but it's gone now.  I know a guy that works at the Infantry Museum as an exhibit display specialist. Maybe he can tell me more. I appreciate all the input fellers. Thank you.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Len on February 10, 2024, 08:11:38 AM
My humble thoughts:
1) Just in front of the forcing cone threads, on the frame, there's a sub inspectors stamp "v" in the proper area. The "v" has the little bend on the top of the left line. On the other hand, there should also be the same stamp on the back end of the barrel's flat surface.
2) The distance between the barrel and the loading lever is too wide. As Bishop said about the "step", it seems like a .36 barrel, which is a bit slimmer (don't know if the threads are the same).
3) The pinched front sight is low, which would be period.

1) and 2) speak against, 3) for

It would be nice if we got some measurements, from a ruler on the glas of the cabinet, in order to deduct lengths and diameters .....
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Hawg on February 10, 2024, 08:34:45 AM
My humble thoughts:
1) Just in front of the forcing cone threads, on the frame, there's a sub inspectors stamp "v" in the proper area.

According to Ware's book there is no known V sub inspectors stamp.
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Len on February 11, 2024, 10:06:41 AM
I didn't know that. Which means that someone has tampered with the frame.
Is it a so called lunch box gun?
Title: Re: Remington
Post by: Zulch on February 12, 2024, 06:57:55 AM
I'll try and contact someone regarding the revolver. Seems there are many unknowns about the gun.