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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 9mm Single Action Revolvers
« on: April 19, 2024, 11:02:14 PM »
You can absolutely deer hunt with it, where .22 centerfires are legal for hunting deer. Around here, lots of deer have been killed with them. Also varmint hunting, as mentioned by others. To include feral hogs. In fact there have probably been more hogs killed with ARs in 5.56 than any other arm in Texas, Mississippi and Georgia.
I even have a .223 bolt action. It's a round that can get it done, if you do your part. And it's a lot cheaper to reload than .30-06.
Don't get me wrong; .30-06 is one of my favorite cartridges. But I'm a firm believer that it's not the gun that counts; it's the man behind the gun.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: 9mm Single Action Revolvers
« on: April 17, 2024, 11:15:08 AM »
Here's my take on it: I much prefer .38 Special, .357 Mag, .45 Colt, .44 Special and Mag. But, I have a three screw .357 Blackhawk with an additional cylinder for 9mm. I can load it with a home-cast 125 grain flat nose bullet using homemade bullet lube and a small amount of shotgun powder. I generally load it to a very useful power level, in the range of 800-1000 fps. And the brass is free. It is not uncommon for me to pick up 9mm brass until I am tired of picking it up, when I stop at a shooting area during a motorcycle ride. I have a decent amount of .38 brass, but using the 9mm brass allows me to conserve my .38 brass for my better loads.

As for ARs, I like them. I also like lever actions, bolt actions and single shots. Front stuffers too. One does not preclude the other. I am a tinkerer, and the AR is a tinkerer's dream. As for 5.56/.223, I completely disagree about it being a worthless round. I like the .222 round more, but it lacks one quality the 5.56 has: free brass. See above comments about 9mm. I cast bullets for it, too. A 55 grain cast bullet conserves my lead supply, and pretty much any powder I have can give me a useful power level especially if I manually cycle the action (which also makes it easier to save my brass). From standard velocity/subsonic .22 LR power to .22 Magnum and beyond. That, to me, is a more useful power level than full power .30-06, for example.
And then there is .300 Blackout. You can make brass by cutting down some of that free 5.56 brass. I think of it as .32-20 for ARs, but with free brass. 

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Media Matters / Re: Lonesome Dove
« on: February 06, 2024, 08:22:01 PM »
Great movie. Open Range too, although Hollywood got a bit carried away with magazine and cylinder capacities on that one.

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Modern Colt Revolvers / Re: Officers Model
« on: January 19, 2024, 01:27:19 AM »
Nice Colt! I have a 1944 Official Police.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: What did you do today
« on: December 18, 2023, 01:13:21 AM »
I remember when I used to be able to get free lead. I fear those days are gone.

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Lead casting / Re: Cast bullet business
« on: December 15, 2023, 03:18:03 PM »
270 lbs. isn't going to last long if you start selling it. The question you have to ask yourself is how much do I have in it and how much is it going to cost me to replace it when it's gone.
Exactly. My first thought was "You're almost out of lead!"

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"Brand X" / Re: NAA super companions re-revisited
« on: July 28, 2023, 07:08:18 PM »
I'm gonna dredge this one back up to comment. Someone claimed that you can't overload Trailboss. I've seen other people make that claim too, but yes, you can. It's fluffy (to take up space in large cases like .45 Colt), but it's still a fast powder. Faster than Accurate No. 2, Ramshot Zip, Unique and lots of others. You probably wouldn't be able to get enough in the Super Companion chamber unless you compress it. And compressing Trail Boss is a very bad thing.
Trail Boss is not black powder, and (despite what some people seem to think) not a BP substitute. It is a fast smokeless pistol powder and should be treated as such.

Now, I'm not a naysayer on using smokeless in the Companion and Super Companion. In fact, I have done so quite a few times. But I have gone back to real black powder. Here's why:

1] Using smokeless will bend your cylinder pin. It did mine. I noticed this, and searched the Internet for tips. What I was told is that it was designed that way, to limit pressure. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know BP doesn't bend it. I also know I don't want to have to replace the pin on a regular basis.

2] I've been told that the nipple threads are rated to about (IIRC) 17,000 psi. I'm not sure on that number, but I remember that it was lower than regular .22LR. Again IIRC, both .22LR and .22 Mag are limited to around 24,000 psi. It's kinda like using iron pipe as a 12 gauge shotgun barrel: the pipe is not rated for it, but will usually take some unknown number of rounds through it before it lets go. Bottom line is that it has worked for me and quite a few others, but there's not much safety factor.

3] Black powder ignites much more reliably than and of the smokeless powders.

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4] Black powder can perform quite well in these guns. I have Graf's (Wano) 4F, Swiss 4F, and Swiss Null B. All of those give good results, especially with alternative projectiles.
I weighed one (factory supplied, which is a Lee 0.3cc) scoop of Graf's 4F and came up with 4.5 grains. That doesn't work great with the factory 29 grain bullet, but it does with a 38 grain bullet. More on that in a minute.
I also found that with a lightweight bullet, say about 15 grains, you can fit a scoop and a half or maybe up to about 7 grains of 4F. That light bullet will scream under 7 grains of 4F.

Ok, here's where I get the bullets. 22lrreloader.com sells a .22 LR reloading kit that includes a tool. The tool is both a bullet crimper (to crimp the new bullet into the case) and a bullet mold that has two cavities. One of the cavities is a regular roundnose .22 LR bullet that weighs about 38 grains. The other is a little conical like what is in a CB Cap, and is intended for loading with a primer charge only. It weighs about 15 grains. Another source of light bullets is the Lee No. 4 Buck gang mold, that casts 18 4B round balls at a time. I have both of those molds, and use pure lead just like any other BP gun.

The 38 grain roundnose will almost but not quite fit. That can be remedied by giving each bullet a light tap with a hammer, a swipe with a file, or a snip with wire cutters. I prefer the hammer. All three methods give it a flat nose (which is good), but the hammer does it without losing any weight in the process.

That's enough for now. I'm not necessarily trying to discourage anyone from using smokeless (remember, I did it), but I did want to give a heads up on some potential problems. Also to point out that you're really not giving up much if anything, by using real black powder in them.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: New (to me) ride
« on: July 07, 2023, 01:33:47 PM »
2wd or 4? That's a good deal either way.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: A lot of people are talking about guns
« on: December 26, 2021, 07:20:30 AM »
75 Meters is a great place to find people discussing guns.
As for 10 Meters, anyone who transmits there (or any other ham band) sans license needs to be aware that any ham who carries on a conversation with you is just trying to keep you talking until they (we) can determine who and where you are, followed by reporting you to the FCC. There is also a very good chance that we are recording you. Not trying to start anything, just letting you know. It's not that we don't care when people illegally transmit on our bands; we're just setting a trap to catch you. For some hams, T-hunting as it is called, is their specialty and favorite activity in the ham radio hobby.
The fines can run into the tens of thousands of dollars, too.

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General Discussion / Re: The Pipeline
« on: December 10, 2021, 01:36:21 AM »
When I buy a piece I just want a gun.  Kits are not my thing.  It's a delay.

Get it. Take apart and smooth things up, lube, reassemble.  Go shoot.  I have never wanted to be a gun factory.
Kits are my thing. The lower price, if any, is icing on the cake. My first couple of black powder guns were kits, including a brasser '58.
It's like reloading; I've often heard people say that reloading is only good if you don't value your time. I do value my time. Especially the time I get to spend reloading, casting bullets, and building guns! :cowboypistol:

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NEW MEMBER CHECK-IN / Re: Remington fan finally moving over here.
« on: December 10, 2021, 01:26:54 AM »
Thanks!

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Air Power / Re: Who likes pumpers?
« on: December 10, 2021, 01:17:49 AM »
I have one of those "Ruger" springers too, and almost never shoot it. But I also have one of the Crosman pumper pistols and shoot it quite often.
As for the wood stocked Benjamins, I'm addicted to them. I'm just about done collecting them, though. I just need one more.  L@J

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Great info! Thanks for posting this.
I've actually used the plastic caps with no added metal cup. The trick is to add a pinch of black powder, preferably 4F or Null B, to each cap. Better still if you then seal that charge in with duco cement or spray shellac.
That also works with the paper caps in a metal cup. That way you can get by with a single paper cap per cup.

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