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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 Sheriff ?
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2017, 06:49:55 PM »
.44 or .45 ain't bad.
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 Sheriff ?
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 06:26:19 PM »
Named it Marine 44 ( Pietta 44 Sheriff Colt never made )
Nice tight action,great smooth trigger and new design grips. Case coloring is outstanding.
 L@. I'm happy.........
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 Sheriff ?
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2017, 06:32:20 PM »
Ready for the first shot at the range...
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 06:53:32 PM »
I'm diggin' it...
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 07:32:37 PM »
Hi Hewy. very nice. I hope she shoots as good as she looks. I look forward to your shooting report.

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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 09:19:45 PM »
Very handsome, Hewy.  Congratulations on that.  What is your anticipated projectile and powder make/load for the upcoming shoot?  Pietta has sure upped their game in the last few years; it’s a beautiful life.  Good pics too.  Nice score, bud.
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 09:46:40 PM »
Shoot my own lead casting .45 Conical and .454 rb. Goex fffg start with 28 gr ,go from there.
I'm not big on heavy loads.
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2017, 11:02:14 AM »
Hi Hewy, what's the brass rod for?

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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 01:16:13 PM »
Bore cleaning rod I made.  Has a slot in end to feed cloth into.
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 Sheriff ?
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 03:40:11 PM »
Jim,
 No argument from me! Just because a feller has a couple of books doesn't make him an authority! Lol  My books show the pocket Navy with an octagonal barrel as an 1865 offering so, I guess we'd have to ask them why. 

 

Because of the fire mostly. Colt couldn't keep up with demand for the 36 caliber pocket and a lot of tooling was destroyed in the fire. They didn't want to spend a lot of money in 1865 re tooling to make the new style 36 pocket, and demand for the 31 pocket was dropping but they had a lot of tooling left in the factory, so they introduced the 36 caliber octagonal barreled pocket. They even reused the stagecoach roll engraving on the cylinder

So essentially a method to get the most bang out of the existing tooling as they retooled for the cartridge era.
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2017, 04:24:32 PM »
Also remember back then tooling wasn't like today. They didn't CNC and set the machine up for different jobs but each machine was sometimes very specific. A jig that was set up to guide to drill holes in the frame only did that. A tool set up to mill octagonal barrels couldn't be changed to machine round ones.

Notice the 31 caliber barrel lengths were 4", 5", and 6" and the 1862's were 4.5", 5.5" and 6.5" yet the so called "1865" was the 4", 5", and 6". That's because the tooling was set that way they just changed it to drill a larger caliber.

tooling was expensive to make and useless for making anything else. Colt made millions selling tooling all over the world, especially to Russia, and many of the patents the Colt company held were for tooling. Sam Colt, not Henry Ford, introduced the assembly line



And remember Colt called both of these "Pocket Revolvers of Navy Caliber". 36 was Navy, 44 was Army. It had nothing to do with barrel shape or loading lever style it was caliber.

A 44 Navy is not only historically inaccurate but completely and utterly nonsensical.

Compare the 1861 Navy (holster size frame round barrel creeping loading lever 36 caliber) with the 1860 Army (holster size frame round barrel creeping loading lever 44 caliber) and you get the idea. The only difference between the Army and Navy, besides the belted cylinder and rebated frame, is the caliber
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2017, 04:44:01 PM »
Sorry should be belt size frame. Holster frames were dragoons
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2017, 04:58:17 PM »
That's one reason I now call it "Marine44"
Has its connection with Navy. As long as
it is a fantasy. Can't call Army.....
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2017, 05:17:08 PM »
I have nothing against the octoganal barreled 44's just the Navy name

Pull the barrel and loading lever off any of these Colt style percussion revolvers and hide it under the table. If the frame left is belt sized and the caliber 44 it's an army. If the frame is holster sized it's a Dragoon or Walker and if it's pocket sized it's either a regular pocket or a pocket of navy caliber
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Re: Anyone have a Pietta 1851 (Sheriff ?) renamed Marine 44
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2017, 05:26:15 PM »
I have nothing against the octoganal barreled 44's just the Navy name

Pull the barrel and loading lever off any of these Colt style percussion revolvers and hide it under the table. If the frame left is belt sized and the caliber 44 it's an army. If the frame is holster sized it's a Dragoon or Walker and if it's pocket sized it's either a regular pocket or a pocket of navy caliber

Jax...so what would you call the prototype .40 cal Navy, then? "Big bore Navy"?
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