1860 2nd Gen Loading Issues

[ShotgunDave]

This may sound dumb, but how are you firing the gun if the charges aren't fully seated?

Have you tried to pour a 30 grain charge directly into the chamber and seat a bullet, instead of using a paper cartridge?

[Captainkirk]

This may sound dumb, but how are you firing the gun if the charges aren't fully seated?

Have you tried to pour a 30 grain charge directly into the chamber and seat a bullet, instead of using a paper cartridge?

^^^^This^^^^

[Ambaryerno]

Well, it's been a long while since I've posted, but I think I finally resolved my issue.

It seems I don't have any hope of ever getting 30 grain to load. I did make an adjustment to the 25 grain cartridge: I was using the nitrated paper from Buffalo Arms, which looked like it was plain ol' 8.5 x 11" printer paper. So I decided to make my own paper by nitrating some coffee filters.

EUREKA. I had 24 cartridges made up, and no problems loading at all. So it seems the paper I was using was simply WAY too thick for the purpose.

So beware of the nitrated paper from Buffalo Arms. That stuff is probably WAY too thick.

Now I just need to make up a whole bunch of cartridges for another range day.

[bigted]

So I have attempted taking a picture of the 30 grain Old E 3F powder under the J&D conical where I need to shave off lead from the tip as I could not load it any deeper on top of the crushed powder load.

Took another picture of an intact J&D 44 cal conical with its tip intact.

This is a Uberti model 1860 and I can not get this 30 grain charge to seat deep enough to not have to shave the tip so as to spin past the barrel during the cocking process.

Glad others can shoot 30 grains under this bullet, I can not.

Can shoot 25 grains all day long but not the 30 grain load.

[bigted]

Guess 1 outta 2 aint bad.

[Hawg]

I was using the nitrated paper from Buffalo Arms, which looked like it was plain ol' 8.5 x 11" printer paper. So I decided to make my own paper by nitrating some coffee filters.

Nitrated paper is overrated. Nitrating isn't necessary.

[ShotgunDave]

That's a good result Ambaryerno. Glad to see you back.

[bigted]

Well took 2 try's but I think the grit of my point is made.

I have had 3 1860's and none have allowed me a 30 grain load under them.

Not trying to be combative here. Just letting the OPer know that his revolver is not the only one that will not take a 30 grain load under the JD bullet.

Cheers fellas 

[bigted]

Could it be that there is enough volume difference between Uberti and Pietta cylinders?

Thought I had an older Pietta 1860 layin around which I could make a comparison with but no can find.

[Hawg]

Could it be that there is enough volume difference between Uberti and Pietta cylinders?

Thought I had an older Pietta 1860 layin around which I could make a comparison with but no can find.

Could be, Pietta cylinders are longer

[bigted]

I did finally find my Pietta 1860 ( was setting in with my rifles ... attached to my shoulder stock ) and attempted loading the 30 grain load under the era's gone JD pointed conical . It loaded down under the cylinder mouth but only because of Pietta's blunt cavity on their loading ram ... thereby blunting the point on the bullet enough for the cylinder to rotate past the barrel.

Nother thing that occurred to me is that I have no problems in my revolvers with the 30 grain load under my home cast round ball's. These shoot wonderfully and lets you know your shooting a big bore revolver design from yesteryear.

Any rate I am glad for the OP in finding a cure. May the smoke billow my friend.