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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2021, 04:49:44 PM »
That is an old Walker copy!! Looks like ASM or ASP make.
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I don't think ASP/Euroarms made a Walker. I've never seen one or even a pic of one that I can remember.

AFAIK it's only Uberti and ASM...
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2021, 05:04:12 PM »
Yes, it's an older ASM. AFAIK it's unfired. The arbor is indeed LOOSE and in need of tightening. I'm going to take a run at it myself and if I dust out, I'll probably send it off to Goons for right proper treatment.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2021, 05:07:18 PM »
Yes, it's an older ASM. AFAIK it's unfired. The arbor is indeed LOOSE and in need of tightening. I'm going to take a run at it myself and if I dust out, I'll probably send it off to Goons for right proper treatment.

Awesome! Look forward to hearing how you do.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2021, 05:09:52 PM »
Thank you guys for all the insight. I appreciate it.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2021, 06:29:18 PM »
So.....the plot thickens.

I cracked it open this afternoon and i appears that someone has beaten me to the punch, regarding the arbor. An examination of the frame, beneath the hammer reveals that it's already had a set screw put in to tighten it up. I took the cylinder off and bottomed out the barrel on the arbor and it's the perfect length. However here's where things go Caddywhompus. I think either the slot in the barrel assembly needs to be cut back a bit and a new wider wedge installed or (if I'm lucky) just a new wider wedge. Now, keep in mind when examining the photos that the current wedge has daylight on either side of it when it's installed in its factory positioning.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2021, 07:54:01 PM »
I see a few things that need addressing. But I hope Mike sees this. He'll have a few things to say, I'm sure. He'll be able to explain what's going on and how to correct it much better than I can.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2021, 09:12:34 PM »
What Dave says ^^^^^ 😊👍

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2021, 06:23:57 AM »
Well first off,  the wedge slot orientation  looks good in both barrel and arbor. You can tap the end of the arbor for an adjustable wedge bearing (like I mentioned) so you can use the wedge you have.  I think the slotted set screw is an old fix/repair attempt but my be factory (I think I've seen those before).  In either case, that is no fix for a loose arbor.  The arbor needs to be removed, material at the "shoulder" upset in 3 or 4 places and then torqued back in place. That's the correct way to correct a loose arbor. Since yours has a set screw, reuse it. Install the barrel assy before torquing the set screw .  Almost all others use a pin which has to be drilled out. I use an 1/8" bit and an over size pin (not hardened). Same as above, reinstall barrel assy before installing the pin.

 After the arbor fix, drop a washer in the arbor hole to check for a short arbor. The  method pictured isn't a reliable test.  The  tension applied by the "driven in" wedge is rather significant and will close down the barrel and probably lock up the cylinder. I've had folks swear up and down "theirs isn't short"  .  .  .  only to find out the washer wont interfere with assembly.

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2021, 06:58:51 AM »
Mike,
   So, the old ASM's had short arbor issues just like Uberti'? Thanks

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2021, 07:14:13 AM »
Yessir!
 All reproductions have short arbors (from all manufacturers) except the Piettas of late.

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2021, 07:20:31 AM »
Yessir!
 All reproductions have short arbors (from all manufacturers) except the Piettas of late.

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2021, 07:57:28 AM »
Thanks Mike.

I'll tear it down and see what's up. Give an update once I get it back together.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2021, 08:04:43 AM »
Thanks Mike.

I'll tear it down and see what's up. Give an update once I get it back together.
Woodsrunner79, Look forward to hearing what you find out.  :happy-thumbs-up-050:

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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2021, 10:00:40 AM »
I knew Mike would have the answers, and be able to better articulate how to address fixing it. Mike to the rescue again!

Looking forward to watching you get this one running like a top Woodsrunner.
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Re: Walker wedge too small??
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2021, 05:26:40 PM »
So, I've hit a snag. I stripped it down to the frame and went to back the set screw out to properly address the arbor situation. Can't get the screw out. It won't even budge a bit. Should I apply heat? Drill it out? Thoughts, gents?
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