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1886 Winchester
« on: December 31, 2023, 08:42:48 PM »
I've had a hankering for one of these for quite some time. The 1886 Winchester was designed by John Moses Browning to answer the need for a big bore repeater that could handle the likes of the big cartridges of the day...a hurdle that Oliver Winchester couldn't seem to leap over without making compromises as with the 1876 'Centennial' Winchester that was chambered in the following calibers:
.45-75 W.C.F.
.45-60 W.C.F.
.40-60 W.C.F.
.50-95 Express
As with all past Winchester lever actions, the weak link on all these rifles was the toggle link action that operated the bolt and kept the bolt closed against the cartridge base. The weakness becomes apparent when viewing the toggle link action. In the case of the '76 Centennial, the receiver length continued to grow in length...and subsequent weight...to accommodate the larger and longer cartridges used in the far lighter, slimmer, sleeker big bore rifles such as the Browning-designed 1885 High Wall Winchester or Remington Rolling Block actions. The story goes that the Winchester folks had finalized the purchase of JMB's 1885 Low and High Wall production rights, and while visiting him to finalize the transaction, they saw his superior design for the Big Bore '86 and made the arrangements to purchase that as well.
The 1886 was a totally different animal. Browning was able to shorten and lighten the receiver by ditching the Winchester 'elevator' and using an ingenious angled ramp design, and using solid steel locking lugs that slammed home on either side of the bolt when closed to firmly lock the bolt in place when closed. Coupling this with an 8 round tubular magazine made this one fearsome piece of artillery.
The rifle I purchased is Winchester's 'DeLuxe' version, featuring beautifully figured pistol-grip stock in Grade III/IV walnut and featuring CCH (color case hardened) hardware. Since I still haven't received my rifle yet, all I can do is post a pic from the Winchester catalog, so here you go...

Yeah, it's a looker! L@J

« Last Edit: December 31, 2023, 08:56:54 PM by Captainkirk »
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2023, 09:17:32 PM »
Nice! Can't wait to see actual pics of your new rifle!
My biggest concern is that when I pass away, my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them.

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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2023, 09:24:20 PM »
Nice! Can't wait to see actual pics of your new rifle!

Me too!
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2023, 10:00:58 PM »
That will be a beauty. Looking forward to seeing pics of yours.

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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2023, 10:40:46 PM »
Very nice. :cowboypistol:
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2024, 04:01:11 AM »
That should be a fun one Captain, I have a Rossi 92 they are a sweet smaller version.
I remember reading somewhere that Winchester bought up many Browning Patents,
just to prevent anyone else from marketing competitive products.
John Browning was definitely a genious.

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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2024, 04:19:18 PM »
That should be a fun one Captain, I have a Rossi 92 they are a sweet smaller version.
I remember reading somewhere that Winchester bought up many Browning Patents,
just to prevent anyone else from marketing competitive products.
John Browning was definitely a genious.

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Yes, but in a Rube Goldberg kinda way, he over complicated things many times. I watched a video on YT on "how to disassemble and clean the 1886 Winchester" and was taken aback at the complexity and time required to accomplish it! The YT video gentleman said he had streamlined the cleaning process down to it's core and had it cold at 4 hours (!!!!!) which included removing the butt stock so you could get the bolt and hammer out using special tools he had fabricated.
At that point I made the decision it would be smokeless powder only through my '86, which is sort of disappointing, but way more practical.
I have my Sharps for the Big Bore BP rounds, which I can break down in under 5 minutes.
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2024, 06:37:02 PM »
Maybe he did overcomplicate things but is it really feasible to stretch and beef up a 94 or 92 frame to be reliable with 45-70 loads? Now I don't know anything about an 86 but I would imagine it would be tough to lever 45-70 rounds through an oversize 94.
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2024, 08:36:49 PM »
Maybe he did overcomplicate things but is it really feasible to stretch and beef up a 94 or 92 frame to be reliable with 45-70 loads? Now I don't know anything about an 86 but I would imagine it would be tough to lever 45-70 rounds through an oversize 94.
You are no doubt correct. He accomplished through his ingenuity what Winchester could not. If I can find the disassembly video I'll link it.
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2024, 07:34:32 PM »
Here's the URL:
I don't know why the video starts in the middle? Just drag the line back to start to watch the whole thing.

https://youtu.be/v3fgm3RJn0Q?si=NKSA4xvZ-wsMx8XD
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2024, 07:51:19 PM »
So...I went to the LGS to fill out the paperwork last night. And ogle my new Winchester!
'Flawless' is about as good as it gets. And gorgeous as well. Of course, with our retarded liberal state gun laws, I now have to wait until after noon on Sunday to take her home. John Wayne never suffered such indignities! :cowboypistol:

All I can say is it was worth the wait and the expense. But that doesn't mean it will be a safe queen...oh, no it doesn't! So once I get it home and wiped down, I'll snap a few pix and post for you fellers!
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2024, 09:37:16 PM »
None of my business but may I ask how much it set you back? Feel free to say nunya. :cowboypistol:
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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2024, 08:28:10 PM »
None of my business but may I ask how much it set you back? Feel free to say nunya. :cowboypistol:

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Re: 1886 Winchester
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2024, 01:47:54 PM »
Looking forward to seeing it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2024, 03:09:00 PM »
While watching that video it became clear why you intend to stick with smokeless. 
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